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Post by Atabeg on Jul 21, 2006 23:31:36 GMT 3
that nice but you didn't awnser my question
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 22, 2006 12:55:24 GMT 3
Burkhanism is Buddhism Yes! Burkhanism is Buddism! Tibetian king is called "Burkan(=god, dead, soul) khaan"=Pope!? Tengerism(=order) is not the whole picture!(=religion for men), it is just Upper part of a huge pic, Lower part of picture is Mother Earth=religion mostly for women(=witchcraft?). Shamanism is connected to both. There is no one god there are many, there is no evil there is power & energy to harvest, U can be evil or good if U want.
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Post by tengrikut on Jul 22, 2006 14:56:02 GMT 3
don't you know about altaian shaman chet chelpenov? he worshipes a god called Burkan. and his religion is called "ak-yang". ak yang means white religion. when i said burkanizm, i said "ak-yang". i dislike budhism. budhism made steppe people weak. it is not for our life style. also islam and christianity too.
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Post by Atabeg on Jul 22, 2006 16:11:42 GMT 3
Islam an christianity is suitable for anyone dude. but my question was isn't a national religion the religion praticed by the majority?
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 23, 2006 7:05:19 GMT 3
don't you know about altaian shaman chet chelpenov? -I don`t think he/she? is famouse in Mongolia!? ;D
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 23, 2006 17:45:37 GMT 3
Guys, please don't go off-topic
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Post by Atabeg on Jul 23, 2006 21:57:00 GMT 3
Early period David IV of GeorgiaThe first contacts between the Georgians and Kipchaks date back to the eleventh century when the latter founded a nomadic confederation in the southern Russian steppes. Their relations with Georgia seem to have been generally peaceful. Moreover, the Georgian politicians of that time saw the Kipchaks as their potential allies against the Seljuk conquests. According to Georgian chronicles, Georgians knew about the "Kipchaks' good fighting skills, their bravery, and the enormous human resources that they had."[1] The architect of the Georgian-Kipchak alliance was the Georgian king David IV “the Builder” (1189-1125), who employed tens (or even hundreds) of thousands Kipchak soldiers and settled them, in 1118, in his kingdom. This measure, one of the central parts of David’s military reforms amid his struggle against the Seljuk invaders, had been preceded by the visit of the high-ranking Georgian delegation, including the king himself and his chief adviser and tutor George of Chkondidi, to the Kipchak headquarters. To secure the alliance with these nomads, David married a Kipchak princess Gurandukht, daughter of Khan Otrak (Atraka, son of Sharaghan, of the Georgian chronicles), and invited his new in-laws to settle in Georgia. David mediated a peace between the Kipchaks and Alans, and probably had some consultations also with the Velikiy Kniaz of Kievan Rus', Vladimir Monomakh, to secure a free passage for the Kipchak tribesmen to the Georgian soil. Kingdom of Georgia and her neighbors under David IV. Copyright©2004 Andrew AndersenAs a result of this diplomacy, 40,000 Kipchak families under Otrak moved to settle in Georgia. According to the agreement, each Kipchak family was to contribute a full-armed soldier to the Georgian army. They were given land, rearmed and became a perfect regular force under the immediate control of the king. The selected 5,000 men were enrolled in the royal guards. The remaining Kipchak settlers were posted chiefly to frontier regions confronting the Seljuk Turks. They practiced a semi-nomadic way of life, wintering in the Kartlian lowlands in central Georgia, and carrying their summertime duties along the foothills of the Caucasus. The medieval compendium of the East Slavic chronicles known as Hypatian Codex relates that after the death of Vladimir Monomakh in 1125, Khan Syrchan of the Don Kipchaks, Otrak’s brother, sent a singer Or’ to Otrak and asked him to return home. Legend has it that when Otrak heard Or’ singing an old Kipchak song and smelled steppe grass, he fell in nostalgia with the steppe life and finally left Georgia.[2] Yet a number of the Kipchak mercenaries settled permanently within Georgia, converted to Orthodox Christianity, and blended subsequently with the local population According to modern Turkish scholars, the traces of the Kipchak presence in Georgia can be found in the Turkish-Georgian borderlands, particularly in the Rize Province. They relate some of the existing local family names to the Kipchak clans who had once served to Georgia. The Kumbasars, the purported descendants of the above mentioned Qubasar (Kubasar), are an example.[3] The Meskhetian Turks, a large Muslim community deported from Georgia under the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin in 1944, also claim sometimes that the medieval Kipchaks of Georgia may have been one of their possible ancestors[4] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks_in_GeorgiaI'm an ahiska turk So am I a kipchak or an oghuz or mixture of both whats the deal
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 25, 2006 10:58:12 GMT 3
I'm an ahiska turk So am I a kipchak or an oghuz or mixture of both whats the deal Ok! So then U & Nomad are close relatives! hehehe.. ;D -I knew it! Kipchaks were cristians!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 25, 2006 15:11:18 GMT 3
Some Qïpchaqs were Christians but not all were
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Post by Atabeg on Jul 25, 2006 19:52:06 GMT 3
I'm an ahiska turk So am I a kipchak or an oghuz or mixture of both whats the deal Ok! So then U & Nomad are close relatives! hehehe.. ;D -I knew it! Kipchaks were cristians! used to be my friend like we used to be tengrist some of us jewish like mongolians are now budist and used to be tengrist
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