Indo-European and Turkic similarities

[dilisang]

Having only little knowledge of the following languages that I am learning very slowly but steadily, I have a question that puzzles me for some time.

Tajik (Indo-European) and Uzbek (Turkic) have many important words in common. That seems to be nothing unusual as Tajiks and Uzbeks live close together and many people speak both languages to some extent.

But the similarities go on even with Tatar which has very few speakers living close to Tajiks.

These similarities are not only words borrowed from Arabic, Russian or other languages. E.g. "pari" in Tajik and Uzbek, i.e. "fairy" in English, almost equal after the p/f exchange.

To me, it seems that the Proto-Indo-European and Proto-Turkic languages already evolved in close territorial relationship and had influenced each other before their people spread around the steppes.

All in all, this is difficult to say for me as I don't know exactly the origin of many words common also in Urdu and Hindi like "dunyo", but "dust" (Tajik) and "dus" (Tatar) is one of the words that make me wonder. Also "man", "min", maybe even related to English "mine", German "mein".

What do you think about this?

I haven't put much examples now, but I think someone with knowledge of Tajik or Farsi and a Turkic language other than the territorial close Uzbek could answer this easily.

[tengrikut]

it is nonsense. except some same similar words, there is no relation

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

The related words you say are the ones Ozbek got from Iranian.

[dilisang]

But "dus" is Tatar. Where did they get this from? And "dus" is the main word for "friend", IMHO, not any rarely used one.

Well, Uzbek and Tajik might be both exceptions as heavily influenced by themselves. So, the real comparison would be Farsi and non-Uzbek Turkic languages.

And another point:
Languages borrow mostly foreign words for specific meaning, not basic meanings. Why did Uzbek (or Tajik, not sure) borrow basic words like dus, dil, pari?

Another question: is muhabbat and dunyo Arabic? Because this is used in Urdu and Pashto, too.

[raapi]

Ahh, pari is from persian so that's where the tajiks got it. the persians went as far north as kazakhstan as we know so they linguistically influenced the locals - in this case uzbeks with the word pari.

incidentally it is peri in turkish too.

[dilisang]

Hmm, another incidental word ...

Comparing the few words that Tajik still has in common with English, e.g, that's interesting.

I think, maybe proto-Indo-European evolved close nearby where proto-Turkic evolved, maybe lake Aral or Altai mountains, and both languages had at this time a similar relationship as Uzbek and Tajik have today.

I refer this to really basic words like "pari", "dus", or "dev".

Other words, for fruits e.g., are naturally even more widespread.
In some supermarkets here, where mostly people from Pakistan buy, they sell pomegrenades, and write with latin letters "Anaar" on it.

Well, it might take some time to come closer to this, as I still know only a few words and learning is slow, as I am not studying this.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Tatar also has a lot of Arabo-Persian words. Dost/Dust/Dus in Turkic comes from Iranian Dost

Muhabbät and Dunyâ are Arabic.

[dilisang]

Thanks for that info, Tigin. The whole region from Tatarstan and Turkey to India has much common words.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

You are welcome Dilisang

Indeed, Arabic and Persian had and has a very important influence on Southwestern Asia.

[Deleted]

"Dost', meaning "friend" comes from Farsi?

[Temüjin]

yes it is Farsi.

[Azadan Januspar]

in regions with almost non-stable historical backgrounds it is also possible to adopt key words, For example Persian through it's post-conquest evolution lost many and adopted many. As for "Pari" it doesnt seem that Persian brought the word to today's Kazakhstan it may have been adopted from adjacent widespread local iranian languages in contact with the turkic tribes earlier than for example 9th century why not?!

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

That is also quiet possible. There are many words in Old Turkic, as well as in modern Turkic dialects/languages that were adapted from Eastern Iranian languages (especially Soghdian) and Tokharian.