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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 24, 2006 21:41:45 GMT 3
I have always wondered the meaning and root of the Turkic name of River Volga - Itil (versions include Idil, Idel, Etil and Edil). It looks very Turkic, but what about it's ethymology? It- has several meanings, what about -il? By the way, I should also note that the name Volga comes from the Turkic name Bulghar (B changed to V, the R dropped)
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Dec 3, 2006 13:57:57 GMT 3
I don't know the geography of the place but maybe it is linked. "It(what it means) eli" maybe.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 3, 2006 18:58:47 GMT 3
I don't know the geography of the place but maybe it is linked. "It(what it means) eli" maybe. Qazaq: "It eli" - land of dogs Tatar: "It eli" - land of meat
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Post by balamir on Dec 3, 2006 20:07:19 GMT 3
"It" means dog in Turkey Turkish,also "il" means "place,city".
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 3, 2006 20:55:11 GMT 3
Il means Country, Region, State. It is the equivalent of Arabic Mulk ﻤﻠﻚ, Chinese Gu¨® ‡ø/¹ú and English Realm.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 3, 2006 21:05:12 GMT 3
Il means Country, Region, State In Kazak, "el" means country, region, state, as well as people, tribe, etc.
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Dec 5, 2006 12:50:06 GMT 3
I don't know the geography of the place but maybe it is linked. "It(what it means) eli" maybe. Qazaq: "It eli" - land of dogs Tatar: "It eli" - land of meat Yep I know these and that is why I did mention in my post as "what it means". I don't give any possiblities that Itil is land of dogs or meat. There must be another meaning that is different from todays'.
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Post by kokturk on Dec 5, 2006 15:52:39 GMT 3
IMHO, we should consider the "Atzel" thing.
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Post by Bor Chono on Apr 1, 2007 5:09:22 GMT 3
Mongols call Bolga as "Ijil murun"="Ijil the big river". word "Ijil" means "same" "similar" Word Moscow comes from "Musgia gol"="not straight river" Mongols used to call the rivers of Moscow "Musgia".
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Post by mesinik on Oct 28, 2007 20:52:08 GMT 3
Somebody told, in southern Finno-Ugric (today extinct, called Merya) dialects "Muskova" was ...... "(The Land) Of Cannabis" ...... (you know this plant of course). I don't know if this is true. Mongols call Bolga as "Ijil murun"="Ijil the big river". word "Ijil" means "same" "similar" Word Moscow comes from "Musgia gol"="not straight river" Mongols used to call the rivers of Moscow "Musgia".
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Post by Balkhani on Oct 29, 2007 1:34:34 GMT 3
As far as I know Idel means "seven tribes" and according to Dzhagfar Tarihi on that place seven aryan(Not the Hitler-aryan sence but the real,iranic one) and turkic tribes formed an empire called Idel.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Oct 29, 2007 16:21:55 GMT 3
Somebody told, in southern Finno-Ugric (today extinct, called Merya) dialects "Muskova" was ...... "(The Land) Of Cannabis" ...... (you know this plant of course). I don't know if this is true. Mongols call Bolga as "Ijil murun"="Ijil the big river". word "Ijil" means "same" "similar" Word Moscow comes from "Musgia gol"="not straight river" Mongols used to call the rivers of Moscow "Musgia". Meryans are exist still. I propably know, because my wife is partly one.
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Post by sarmat on Oct 29, 2007 22:08:53 GMT 3
Somebody told, in southern Finno-Ugric (today extinct, called Merya) dialects "Muskova" was ...... "(The Land) Of Cannabis" ...... (you know this plant of course). I don't know if this is true. The word Moscow is for sure of Finno-Ugrian origin. It means Bear river in Mordovian or Cow river in Komi, there are aslo some other explanations of the Finno-ugrian meaning of this word. In fact, there is also a theory that modern Russian people are in fact just Slavinicized Finns. It's known, that most of Russia had been inhabitted by Finnish tribes before the Slavic migration started.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 30, 2007 17:24:56 GMT 3
In order for it to mean "Seven Tribes", the name should be Yeti Oghur or a varient of it. The name Idel does not include any elements of the words seven and tribe.
Modern Russians include Finno-Ugric, Turkic and maybe Iranic blood.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Oct 30, 2007 19:42:36 GMT 3
Somewhere in so-called Russia, being russian is more culture than ethnicity.
Real original russians are same as scandinavians (rus-varjags).
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