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Post by tantalus on Jan 29, 2007 4:57:00 GMT 3
Tigin, or anyone,
Do you know if there is a prefered english spelling of Kharakhorum? I have seen it spelled:
Qaraqorum
Qaraqoram
Karakorum
Karakoram
Kharakhorum
Kharakhoram
Thanks.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jan 29, 2007 7:30:43 GMT 3
Google search: Kara korum - 713,000 results Khara khorum - 17,200 results Kara khorum - 3,760 results Qara qorum - 1,260 results Khara korum - 533 results I think the results are self-explanatory.  KarakorAm is a different name referring to a mountain system between India and China. |
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Post by tantalus on Jan 29, 2007 9:29:39 GMT 3
But if you do a Google search for the various spellings of Chingis Khan I bet Genghis Khan would win even though it is not the academically preferred spelling. So I don't think the most popular answer is always the correct one. I probably should have asked my question as: What is the academically preferred english spelling of Kharakhorum? KarakorAm is a different name referring to a mountain system between India and China. Thanks for pointing out the difference.  LOL - My spell checker wanted to change "Kharakhorum" in the subject line to "Karakorum". |
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Post by snafu on Jan 29, 2007 10:58:13 GMT 3
the most common one I see is Kharakorum. The problem with Mongolian is there's no universal system for Romanizing it, like Pinyin with Chinese. Different scholars use different spellings. So doing a Google search for anything pertaining to Mongolia is usually very tricky.
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Post by Saran on Jan 29, 2007 11:35:31 GMT 3
Karakoram is a mountain range which isn't in Mongolia.
To my opinion, Kharakhorum is the correct spelling (can be pronounced as Harahorum in Turkish or similar languages), however, most of the people (mainly white people) call and write it as Karakorum because of the hard "H" sound.
Mongolian government even opened the website of Kharakhorum as www.karakorum.mn 
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jan 29, 2007 12:10:40 GMT 3
But if you do a Google search for the various spellings of Chingis Khan I bet Genghis Khan would win even though it is not the academically preferred spelling. Your original question was simply "prefered english spelling". Nothing about an academic aspect. So, yes, Genghis would be the most prefered/popular English spelling. Even academically, Genghis is used by scholars far more often than Chinggis or Chingis. Amazon.com book search gave following: 7,313 results for Genghis 334 results for Chingis 312 results for Chinggis |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 29, 2007 21:46:31 GMT 3
The correct form must be Kharakhorum in Mongolian, which would be Qaraqorum in Turkic.
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Post by tantalus on Jan 30, 2007 7:26:45 GMT 3
Thanks snafu and Saran. Your posts were helpful and make a lot of sense. The Mongolian Ministry of Education Science and Culture also used Kharakhorum in their book The Ancient City of Kharakhorum. The correct form must be Kharakhorum in Mongolian, which would be Qaraqorum in Turkic. Kharakhorum it is. Thanks everyone for verifying the more correct spelling. Your original question was simply "prefered english spelling". Nothing about an academic aspect. Yeah I know. I addressed that already back in my second post. I probably should have asked my question as: What is the academically preferred english spelling of Kharakhorum? |
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Post by mongolulus on Apr 5, 2009 16:00:22 GMT 3
i used to wonder why karakorum came to be called harhorin by the mongols themselves.
but now i think: first, it was called karakorum. the chinese tried to call it karakorum but couldn't pronounce it, so they ended up with something like halaholin (-rum doesn't have an equivalent in chinese, so "lin" is the closest way to say it). and then, the mongolians ended up adopting the chinese way of saying the name and called their city harahorin or harhorin.
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Post by mongolulus on Apr 5, 2009 18:56:15 GMT 3
the chinese actually called karakorum Ho-lin.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 6, 2009 14:22:42 GMT 3
Hmm I thought Khalkha Mongolian Harhorin meant "of Harahorum" |
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Post by mongolulus on Apr 6, 2009 16:18:26 GMT 3
yes maybe, if it was "harhor-in". but i don't think it makes sense to say "of harhor". for me, first the chinese corrupted karakorum to halaholin (or ho-lin) during the mongol empire, and then the mongols during the ming dynasty era further corrupted it to harhorin. sigh, it is the only "city" in mongolia that has had near-constant habitation since its founding in 1220. all the other ancient cities have been wiped away.
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