Book: The Eastern Romans 330-1461AD

[cataphract]

Has anyone seen the book Eastern Romans 330-1461AD yet?
Not much to do with steppe people, though interesting to see the pictures of the book.
These pictures can be seen on: Forum Armes et guerriers aux temps des grandes invasions.
Thread: Culture Byzantine
The Eastern Romans 330-1461AD
Enjoy the pictures.
Greetings

Cataphract

[Temüjin]

i've ordered this book when it came out but i'm still waiting for it to arrive...

plate 15 is interesting, it has a helmet that is usually connected to early Magyars (Gorelik) or Vlachs (Nicolle), also it has a draco standard combined with a cross!

this plate has a Seljuq warrior: img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ter17ii9.jpg
first time i've seen a Seljuq with face mask. face masks were common for other Turkic mercenaries of Byzantines like Pechenegs and Qipchaqs.

BTW do you also have the plates from the Monvert book "the Army of Justinianus"?

[cataphract]

Sadly I don't have the Montvert book covering the Justinian wars..It's hard to find and too costly for me.
If you have the book, could you scan the plates for me please?
Greetings.

Cataphract

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

I also didn't know that the Seljuks used face masks I better should ask Prof. Dr. Salim Koca but I don't remember reading anything like that in his book about Seljuk military.

[Temüjin]

cataphract said:

If you have the book, could you scan the plates for me please?
Greetings.

Cataphract

no i don't have the book either unfortunately. the book is long out of print and Montvert apparently went bankrupt almost instantly...

[cataphract]

I tried to find some evidence for Seljuk's wearing helmets with face masks, but couldn't find any. This doesn't surprise me because the book isn't completely without faults concerning the helmets the Roman (Byzantine) soldiers are wearing either.
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Cataphract

[cataphract]

I looked at the book in the bookshop a long time ago.The reason why I didn't buy the book then was that I thought the standard of the colour plates wasn't as good.Many times since I have regretted that I didn't buy the book.
I know that the author depicted a 6th century Byzantine cataphract wearing an ankle length mail coat.Over the mail, at the chest area, he wore a lamellar cuirass. His arms were protected with tubular bands. At his left arm he was wearing a small round shield.
At the hem of the mail coat bronze rings were attached. With this rings the cataphract could pull up the mail coat for ease of wearing.For this curious adaption the author based himself on contemporary writings.
I still hope that I one day can find the plates of the book.
Greetings.

Cataphract

[Temüjin]

of the Montvert books, i have four, the warriors of eurasia, the tang army, the sassanian army and the armies of bactria. what i'm missing is the army of justinian, the two volumes on Seleucids and Ptolemaics and the achaemenid army. there is also a book on the border reivers but i'm not interested in that one, afaik it is even still available.

[cataphract]

I have the same books. The 3 we are missing are the most sought after, so very hard to find and very, very expensive.
What do you think about the description I've given of the cataphract depicted in the book covering the army of Justinian? The bronze rings which enabled the horseman to pull up his very large mail coat is a nice feature don't you think?When not in war, this must have made riding much easier.
In my opinion the cataphract on plate 7 in the book The Eastern Romans 330-1461AD wears a way too large shield.I only know of Roman cataphracts wearing a small round shield just covering the upper left arm.Just like the drawing in the Monvert book. What do you think?
Greetings

Cataphract

[Temüjin]

yes i agree, all depictions of cataphracts i know show the small round shield, which was fastened to the arm, so he could wield the lance with both hands in the typical manner.