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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 18, 2005 18:42:04 GMT 3
I wonder how the steppe peoples fought between each other; did they use their hit-and-run tactics they used on the armies of sedentary peoples/states? Or did they prefer only melee fighting?
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 17, 2005 12:06:46 GMT 3
Depends what you mean by hit & run! I know that Uigur Kaganate after the destruction of West Kaganate was destroid by Tan Dinasty and Uigur help they settled and didn't take action paying small tribes to fight for their course. Until Kirgiz destroied them. Kypchaks for example fought a swift but bloody compains against Bolgars, Slovaks, Kyrgizs. Destroying town and villages... same tactics as mongols!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 18, 2005 23:24:06 GMT 3
I found my answer in BBC's "Genghis Khan" documentary ;D
Appearently Temüjin used all tactics of steppe warfare against Jamukha. This includes mounted archery, fake retreats, ambushes and raining arrows on the enemy.
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 20, 2005 7:04:14 GMT 3
In the Kazakh book "Golden Hord" by Ilyas Esimberlin. There you find that Mongols under the leadership of Ghingis Khan used new method of combat where mongols terrefied nomads of Central Asia by the brutality and tricks they used to disbalanse the nomads! But look!!! Mongols defeted the Kypchaks in Deshty-Kypchak land then Kypchaks where enslaved and sold to Arabic Halifats later they came to power in Egypt by overthoughing the sultan and defeted mongols under the Sultan Beibars. Mongol's tactics was only a knowhow but later it became an old fasion!!!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 8, 2005 23:38:14 GMT 3
Indeed, this has been one of the interesting points in history.
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Nov 22, 2005 21:27:20 GMT 3
I am intrested about the information on tactics! If nomads used identical tactics probably the was a solution how to diffend. I read from books that cumans during the diffense placed the wagons round shape making fotress against a sudden raids.
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 23, 2005 11:32:32 GMT 3
Mongols were always out numbered! The time when turks were here in Mongolia -historians say : -Turk and Mongols had no differences on tactics but Turks liked face to face combats. For Mongols they hit hard(kill leaders=noble warriors as many as possible) and run fast. ;D Body cant move without a head.
It was easy because foreign army leaders=commanders differs from ordinary soldiers. Funny is they dress different(well dressed ones). ;D We say put on what you have.-Chingis khaan declared a law ;"Use your coat until it is full of hole" ;D
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Nov 23, 2005 13:54:20 GMT 3
Intreseting! I read in books about The Great Khaan that he liked the brave soldiers and during the battle it was vital to him to capture alive the brave enemy soldiers or heros and turn him on his side. He did it with the big success as many of his great generals used to be the captured ones. I belive it was one of the reason he wanted Qipchaks on his side or dead so they will not cause any problems in future.
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Nov 23, 2005 13:59:13 GMT 3
Batyr are the name we give to knights. Its is also meaning of hero as it could not be passed from father to son but could be earned through battles and great bravery. I wonder how do you call knights in mongoliya and other nations!
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 24, 2005 12:15:34 GMT 3
Batyr are the name we give to knights. Its is also meaning of hero as it could not be passed from father to son but could be earned through battles and great bravery. I wonder how do you call knights in Mongolia and other nations! In Mongolia royal knights called Baatar=Bagatur=Hero, Hishigten=means "People who took right or power from Khaan" also HULEG(hulug=Horse=friend) bagatur. Also some people called Darhan=Darkan=untouchable. |
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Nov 25, 2005 15:02:09 GMT 3
Does the title Bagatur, Hishigten and Darhan moves like the heretage or not? Kazakh have few titles that could be passed to the first son but non of them connected to the combat ranks.
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 26, 2005 13:52:08 GMT 3
Does the title Bagatur, Hishigten and Darhan moves like the heritage or not? Kazakh have few titles that could be passed to the first son but non of them connected to the combat ranks. All above : Bagatur, Hisigten, Darhan are doesn`t pass to next generation. Khaans and Lords give it. Famous warrior among people can be called Bagatur. Also I forgot to tell about :"Urlug=Urluk" bagatur is highest military rank. You know Chingis khaan had only 9 Urluks. (Zev,Subedei,Boorchi,...) Lord title is passed |
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