Great Commanders of the Steppes

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

(Originially posted by me at November 9, 2004)
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I decided to open a thread about the great military commanders of the Steppes, I want to add two commanders for now:


- Köl Tigin: (684/5-731) Son of Qutlugh (Iltirish Qaghan [r.682-691]), brother of Bilge Qaghan (r.716-734), probably the best Tujue commander ever. Joined 9 campaigns and fought in 16 battles against many enemies such as the Chinese, On Oq, Qïrghïz, Toquz Oghuz, Bayïrqu, Qarluqs and Az; personally killed and captured many warriors; de-throned his cousin Inel Qaghan, massacred his supporters and enthroned his brother Mojilian Shad as Bilge Qaghan. He was only 16 when he fought at his first battle.

- Pusa: Uyghur rebel leader who ambushed and defeated Yugu Shad's army of 100,000 men only with his 5,000 riders at Malie in Gansu in 627.


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(Originially posted by Temujin at November 9, 2004)
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who are the Az? are they the same with Uz (Torks)?


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(Originially posted by me at November 9, 2004)
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No, they were a Turkic people who lived in Northwestern Mongolia, to the south of the Sayan Mountains.

[zafer]

General Bayan: a Turk serving under the Mongol Empire, put an end to the Song Empire in 1272 after he captured their capital Hangzhou.

[Lannes]

Maybe we should give it our best to compile a 'top ten' list.

IMO, the vie for number one comes down to Chinggis and Timur. What do you all think?

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Yes, of course they do, as well as Chinggis Khan's two most famous generals Subegetai Baghatar and Jebe Noyan.

Zafer, could you please give us more info about this General Bayan? It attracted my attention

[aca]

Here is the picture of a Golden Horde warior (maybe the Batu-khan himself ) (Couldn't find a topic about Golden Horde so I posted the picture here. Hope you don't mind )

[nisse]

what about Tughril Beg , he defeated the mamluck ghaznivids crushed the buywids and createad an empire stretching from central asia to anatolia, he also is the creater of the turkmen nation

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughril_Beg

[nisse]

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Borj-toghrul.jpg [/img] here is a pic os tughril Beg, He has his own masoluem at rayy in Iran where he died,

www.allempires.com/empires/seljuk/toghrulbeg_m.jpg [/img]

[nisse]

Heey, why doesnt the pic turn up at the site

[balamir]

Tigin,who is Yugu Shad?

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

balamir said:

Tigin,who is Yugu Shad?

One of the shads in the last years of the First Eastern Qaghanate.

[nisse]

what about alp arslan, he was a great commander

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Yes, he can be considered too.

[nisse]

One commander that is called the napoleon oif the eas, his name is nadir shah
he was also a great commander, undefeted until his death

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

But he was not a part of the steppes.

I think you have a serious problem in reading. Maybe you should go to an eye doctor.

[nisse]

I think you have a serious problem in reading. Maybe you should go to an eye doctor.

hahaha , I actually have glasses, ;D

he is of turkic origin and ruled and defeated central asian and ottoman empire, that makes him to qualify as a steppe commander because of his turkmen origin, he came from southern turkmenistan, ,it s the same place that tughrul beg and alp arslan came from,