Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 21, 2006 14:52:18 GMT 3
I would like to have a complete and correctly spelled list of the names given to the Saka by the Assyrians, Greeks, Persians, Chinese and if avaible, other people too.
I know that it was Ashkuzai/Ishkuzai in Assyrian, Sakoi (plural form) in Greek (Scythian was Skythoi in Greek, Scythii in Latin; in plural forms) and Sai in Chinese. But I do not know the exact spellings of Saka tribe names in Persian so I will ask someone to write them here (including the long vowels). I also do not know with which character it was written in Chinese.
Hebrew - Ashkenaz Greek - Sakai Greek - Skuthai Latin - Sacae Latin - Scythae Han Chinese - Ssek Sanskrit - Saka, Shaka Old Persian - Saka - Saka haomavarga = Greek Sakai Amurgioi - Saka tigrakhauda = Greek Orthokorubantes - Saka paradraya = Greek Skuthai Scythian* - Skolot- from Greek Skolotoi (Herod. 4.6.2)
Yes, Ashkenazi Jews were eastern European Jews. The original "Ashkenaz" had lost its meaning, due to the assimilation of the original Scythians by other peoples. It then became reused during the Middle Ages for those Jews who inhabited western Germany, but which subsequently migrated east into other parts of eastern Europe. Those original Jews of Germany were called Ashkenazim because the Jews at that time associated the defunct term with "Germany".
We don't know how the Ashkenazim took root in Germany. It is only sufficient to say that they were an already established group in western by the time of Charlemagne, who used them for their trading contacts, and genetically these "western Ashkenazim" show very little in the way of genetic relationship with Turkic Jews. What is known is that Slavonic Jews were probably of Khazar ancestry. The Ashkenazim expanded eastward into the regions of the Slavonic Jew and to some degree intermarried with them, hence, these two European communities became known under the expanded term "Ashkenazim".