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Post by balamir on Apr 6, 2008 16:08:34 GMT 3
Hi dear forum members! I was far from forums for a long time,because of my school.I got a few questions. I'm from Samsun,Turkey.My grandfather is a mukhajir(immigrant) from Crimea.I learned some information about other immigrant peoples from Caucasian area,who immigrated to my homecity Samsun.The Ossetians,Circassians(Adige) and Daghestani Turks. Circasssians are crowded in Samsun.As i know,all of them consider theirselves as Turks,they love this motherland.And most of them are Turkish nationalists. My question is, Who are the Circassian people?Are they Iranic?Or they got Turkic origin?Have they got any relation with Kimmerians?Their relations with Turkic peoples etc... And how they Turkified so easily in Turkey?Because of religion?Culture similarity?Language? Thank you all,and sorry for my English.It is still poor
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2008 8:37:22 GMT 3
Circassians belong to the northern Caucasus group along with Chechens and Ingush, I'm pretty sure of this. I know a lot of Turks say that they're Turks but they're not. I don't know why they assimilated so easily, maybe it's because of the culture, they're used to being around Turks from the Caucasus so they got used to Anatolian Turks quickly and felt a brotherhood immediatly and also probably because of the good relations we've had. By the way, you're English is good man, don't worry about it.
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Post by balamir on Apr 7, 2008 16:54:25 GMT 3
As ı know,they know they are Circassian origin and,also know they are not Turkic originated.But they call theirselves as Turks and,this is about how you feel and loving the motherland.If they say it,they are Turks. I just wanted to know,how could they felt like this so easily,and adapted to Turkic culture.Not like kurds,kurds are here hundreds of years but many of them didn't Turkified. Thank you for your reply feramez
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2008 9:37:52 GMT 3
Well in Turkey there seems to be a problem between realizing the difference between 'Turk/Turkic' and 'Turkish', they say they're Turks but mean that they're Turkish. In Turkey everyone says they're Turk but don't realize there's a difference between being Turk and Turkish. They're 'Turkeylik' (Turkish), not 'Turk' (Turkic).
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Post by balamir on Apr 8, 2008 13:35:44 GMT 3
Well in Turkey there seems to be a problem between realizing the difference between 'Turk/Turkic' and 'Turkish', they say they're Turks but mean that they're Turkish. In Turkey everyone says they're Turk but don't realize there's a difference between being Turk and Turkish. They're 'Turkeylik' (Turkish), not 'Turk' (Turkic). Well,as you know,i am living in this country. Being a Turk is not a biologic thing.And this "Turkeyli" concept is being supported by god d**n AKP and kurdish racist bastards(DTP).İt is just an American bullsh*t. In Turkey,if somedy says he/she is a Turk,he/she accepts the Turkic culture and identity.He/she speaks Turkish and everybody accept him/her as a Turk,not "Turkeyli" or "Turkeylik". Being a Turk is about how you feel,the geograpy and culture you live in and the language you speak. There are many Turks in Turkey,who aren't Turkic biologicly,but grew by his family as a Turk and accept himself as a Turk.İf somebody say "you are not a Turk,you are just Turkeyli" to any of them,it will be just funny. This is a gift of Kemalist idea to our country.Every body who feels as a Turk,is a Turk surely. I must add this,there are people who says they are Turkeyli(Turkian),not Turk,we also respect them if they are not against of this vatan(motherland).
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 8, 2008 22:26:17 GMT 3
The Circassians, more correctly the Adighe, are the indigenious people of Northwestern Caucasia. They are thought to be related with some of the Maeotian tribes of the Kuban region. Areas who have large Circassian populations in Turkey are Düzce, Bolu, Samsun, Sinop, Balıkesir, Malatya, Eskişehir, Hatay and some towns south of Samsun, plus the major cities now. Not all are that positive as you say, and there are still many thousands who speak their own languages; assimiliation and integration has not been 100% completed. Plus, the Caucasian Foundations are very active unfortunately, supporting ethnic nationalism and saying that they are living in the diaspora. If they say so, they should all go back to those small North Caucasian autonomous republics.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2008 10:22:13 GMT 3
Well in Turkey there seems to be a problem between realizing the difference between 'Turk/Turkic' and 'Turkish', they say they're Turks but mean that they're Turkish. In Turkey everyone says they're Turk but don't realize there's a difference between being Turk and Turkish. They're 'Turkeylik' (Turkish), not 'Turk' (Turkic). Well,as you know,i am living in this country. Being a Turk is not a biologic thing.And this "Turkeyli" concept is being supported by god d**n AKP and kurdish racist bastards(DTP).İt is just an American bullsh*t. In Turkey,if somedy says he/she is a Turk,he/she accepts the Turkic culture and identity.He/she speaks Turkish and everybody accept him/her as a Turk,not "Turkeyli" or "Turkeylik". Being a Turk is about how you feel,the geograpy and culture you live in and the language you speak. There are many Turks in Turkey,who aren't Turkic biologicly,but grew by his family as a Turk and accept himself as a Turk.İf somebody say "you are not a Turk,you are just Turkeyli" to any of them,it will be just funny. This is a gift of Kemalist idea to our country.Every body who feels as a Turk,is a Turk surely. I must add this,there are people who says they are Turkeyli(Turkian),not Turk,we also respect them if they are not against of this vatan(motherland). I don't care who supports it, this is how it is. An Armenian, Kurd, Greek, Russian, Chechen, etc. from Turkey is Turkish, not a Turk and I don't care who they are. I know that many Turks in Turkey aren't genetically Turk but they've been raised as Turks just as their ancestors have for generations before them. This is a different situation. Do you think that the non-Turk in Turkey who claims to be a Turk will be accepted as a Turk from Turks in other Turk nations? No....Just like a non-Turk from Kazakhstan, East Turkistan, etc., they may be nationals there but they're not Turks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2008 10:24:53 GMT 3
Plus, the Caucasian Foundations are very active unfortunately, supporting ethnic nationalism and saying that they are living in the diaspora. If they say so, they should all go back to those small North Caucasian autonomous republics. But that's true, Turkey, historically and ethnically, isn't their homeland, therefore they belong to the diaspora population.
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Post by balamir on Apr 9, 2008 16:28:46 GMT 3
The Circassians, more correctly the Adighe, are the indigenious people of Northwestern Caucasia. They are thought to be related with some of the Maeotian tribes of the Kuban region. Areas who have large Circassian populations in Turkey are Düzce, Bolu, Samsun, Sinop, Balıkesir, Malatya, Eskişehir, Hatay and some towns south of Samsun, plus the major cities now. Not all are that positive as you say, and there are still many thousands who speak their own languages; assimiliation and integration has not been 100% completed. Plus, the Caucasian Foundations are very active unfortunately, supporting ethnic nationalism and saying that they are living in the diaspora. If they say so, they should all go back to those small North Caucasian autonomous republics. Thank you for the information.Yes i know there are circassians who are making circassian natiaonalism in Turkey.But i am talking about Turk-minded ones Feramez bro: If a circassian speaks his mother language,but also speak Turkish,and says he is Turkic,Kemalist(Ataturkcu) ideology and Anatolian culture says he is a Turk.And true people here are Kemalists The things you said is your reveal,not practical truths.I think you are so race-minded.A man who grew like a Turk and live in Turkic culture,is a Turk if he wants.The most of Anatolian Turks think.I don't think the other Turks will not accept him as as Turk. Turk and nation are social terms,not biologic(for us).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2008 10:33:30 GMT 3
Feramez bro: If a circassian speaks his mother language,but also speak Turkish,and says he is Turkic,Kemalist(Ataturkcu) ideology and Anatolian culture says he is a Turk.And true people here are Kemalists The things you said is your reveal,not practical truths.I think you are so race-minded.A man who grew like a Turk and live in Turkic culture,is a Turk if he wants.The most of Anatolian Turks think.I don't think the other Turks will not accept him as as Turk. Turk and nation are social terms,not biologic(for us). Just because that's what Ataturk said or thought doesn't mean it's right. I'm thinking in a mentality that is realistic. You can't be a Cherkez and a Turk at the same time, unless you're mixed. It's like if I go to Japan, live there for 30yrs., marry a Turk woman, have children there and raise them as Turks. Would it be right if they called themselves ethnic Japanese? No......because they're not, they're Japanese nationals but not ethnically.
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Post by balamir on Apr 10, 2008 16:19:36 GMT 3
Again,i am saying the things i said are true for Kemalism.People can have different reveals.İt is true for Anatolian Turks' reveal.And false for you...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 12, 2008 12:21:00 GMT 3
But that's true, Turkey, historically and ethnically, isn't their homeland, therefore they belong to the diaspora population. Yes, that is true. But it angers me when they always talk about they want to return back, but still stay here. If they do not want to stay here, they are free to go. No one holds them here by force, and Russia is today not ruled by anti-Circassian tsars or communist chairmen If they want to stay here and get integrated, no problem.
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Post by zakali on Apr 26, 2008 17:12:03 GMT 3
Circassians "North West Caucasians aka Adighes". Chechens or Dagestanis aren't Circassian.
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