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Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 13, 2011 4:25:16 GMT 3
Buddhist Uyghur Idiqut: Köçü ( idiqut ) Uighurs - 848-1200's/1236's
Who was the leaders ?
I needed know the Leaders of date 1000's 1030's 1040's AD
Koçu (Ýdikut) Uygur Devleti Liderleri kimdi 10 ve 11 ASIRDA ??
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 13, 2011 15:11:29 GMT 3
I don't think there is a complete list of them. By the way, the name of Turfan (Gao-chang 高昌) in Old Uyghur was Qochu, not Köchü.
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Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 13, 2011 15:43:23 GMT 3
I don't think there is a complete list of them. By the way, the name of Turfan (Gao-chang 高昌) in Old Uyghur was Qochu, not Köchü. Can you send that list then here  in a Turkey Turkish page I founded this: Köçü idiqut Uygur devleti. Köçü, ( Kaşgarlı Mahmud, Türk Dili'nin en eski ve değerli sözlüklerinden Divân-ı Lügati't-Türk'te; "Zülkarneynin yaptırmış olduğu şehirlerinden biridir.", " كُجوُ Koçu: Uygur şehri.". Diğer isimleri Koçu, Köçü, Köçe, Küçe, Küsen'dir. ) |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 13, 2011 23:51:52 GMT 3
Küsen was Kucha, not Qochu  Unfortunately right now, here in Austria, I don't have any of my books about Central Asian history  |
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Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 14, 2011 2:23:16 GMT 3
Küsen was Kucha, not Qochu Unfortunately right now, here in Austria, I don't have any of my books about Central Asian history sorry i founded this from pages maybe is true maybe not. I needed the rulers list. or I must make a fantasy rulers & family tree list for the mod only uighurs, Kyrgyzes and Kimaks are unfortunately i dont understand this  they were great khanate's uigurs one of the greatest fouded much things, kimaks strongest khanate. kyrgyzes use the one of the best warriors of the world. kipchaks, pechenegs etc... have i everything. i hope some brothers here can help me with this three khanate's ?? |
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Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 16, 2011 16:50:05 GMT 3
I make a Family Tree for the idiqut-uigurs too I hope you all like it. I must make it for MTW2 games Mod. But i used by the list too that the family tree not True is  What think my Ural-Altaic origin Brothers which name is best to use: idiqut-Uighur Khaganate: banner / symbol / flag  one. Khagan ( Leader, King ) one. Tegin, Tigin ( Crown Prince ) and maybe one our 2 son's by in list and a daughter ? name for princess: Gongzhu or Beki or else ? - 4 childs can we added by family tree. now come on with Uighur names |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 17, 2011 22:10:20 GMT 3
That flag for the Uyghurs was made up by Turks in the late 1960s, such a flag actually was not used by the Uyghurs themselves.
For tha name of the Uyghurs in the game, you can use several different names such as "Idiqut Kingdom of Uyghurs", "Uyghur Idiqut Kingdom", "Turfanese Uyghurs", "Uyghur Idiqut Kingdom of Turfan" etc.
The Uyghur kingdom in Turfan was ruled by Qaghans and Khans who later switched to the title Idiqut or Iduqqut. Their princes were called Tigin, their queens Qatun and their princesses, even though I am not sure, Qonchuy. I don't remember if they used Beki for their princesses or not.
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Post by benzin on Apr 18, 2011 11:33:03 GMT 3
Küsen was Kucha, not Qochu Unfortunately right now, here in Austria, I don't have any of my books about Central Asian history books.google.com There is hundreds of books uploaded about central asian history |
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Post by snafu on Apr 18, 2011 14:18:55 GMT 3
That flag for the Uyghurs was made up by Turks in the late 1960s, such a flag actually was not used by the Uyghurs themselves. Thank goodness! It's kind of silly looking. |
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Post by kokotoy on Apr 18, 2011 18:52:31 GMT 3
Boztorgai Khan after 840 ad is not possible to find it maybe we can make again a fantasy family tree you needed from 1040 ad to 1205 ad right ? |
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Post by snafu on Apr 18, 2011 19:27:27 GMT 3
According to regnal Chronologies the Uighur leaders of Turfan for this period were:
Pan Tegin (Mangri).................................850-866
Boko Tegin.........................................866-871
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Alp Arslan Qutlugh..............................c. 920-940
Irdimin Qagan......................................940-948
Arslan Qagan.......................................948-985
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Bilga Tegin..................................1126- ?
Isen Tomur
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Baurchuq Art Tegin...........................1208-1235
Barchuq was the Uighur idiqut that submitted to Genghis Khan, so he's verified. Arslan Qagan is also mentioned in Chinese documents, so he is verified too. Not sure about the others. Not sure when the Uighur leaders switched to the title idiqut.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 19, 2011 11:56:10 GMT 3
Yes, it's so interesting that such a literate people like the Uyghurs did not leave a ruler list of themselves.
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Unfortunately right now, here in Austria, I don't have any of my books about Central Asian history 
they were great khanate's uigurs one of the greatest fouded much things, kimaks strongest khanate. kyrgyzes use the one of the best warriors of the world.
