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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 5, 2007 3:12:50 GMT 3
Oh wow wow you are going to make my heart stop!   |
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 5, 2007 23:02:03 GMT 3
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Post by Atabeg on Jan 6, 2007 0:34:15 GMT 3
Nice pictures
can you give me a discribtion of the one with chinese characters
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 6, 2007 1:10:58 GMT 3
SALJUQ (TURCOMAN)
thirteenth century
from the book Cavalry - The history of a fighting elite - 650BC-AD1914 by V. Vuksic & Z. Grbasic
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jan 6, 2007 1:24:23 GMT 3
book Cavalry - The history of a fighting elite - 650BC-AD1914 by V. Vuksic & Z. Grbasic How many plates does it have? And how much of the book is dedicated to the Steppe? |
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 6, 2007 1:56:49 GMT 3
it has 100 full-page plates and some uncolored smaller artwork throughout the few text. out of the 100 color-plates, there is one Scythian (posted earlier in this thread), a Hun (unfortunately don't have it, but great drawing), an Avar (also posted in this thread under the Avars post), the Saljuq posted above, and a Mongol (will post soon). the black&white artwork includes another Scythian, a Parthian, a Pecheneg, a Magyar, another Mongol, and a Saljuq Ghulam. it is hard to estimate how much of the book is about Steppe, but from ancient and medieval period it is perhaps 50% or more, text wise. unfortunately the color plates are mostly dedicated to european cavalry, especially from the age of funky uniforms (17th to 19th century) but it is nevertheless very diverse, the only cavalry missing in this book is perhaps Chinese cavalry, the only eastern asian cavalryman is a mounted samurai. there is also quite a lot about eastern european cavalry (including ottomans) during renaissance.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jan 6, 2007 2:13:56 GMT 3
Thanks, Temujin! I appreciate that.
If you have a chance, could you please post the Hun here, too?
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 6, 2007 2:46:54 GMT 3
if i get the digicam of my sister, i try my best to make half way descend scans of the Hun plate and the plates from the Hun book.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 6, 2007 14:18:31 GMT 3
Great job!  |
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 6, 2007 22:57:09 GMT 3
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jan 6, 2007 23:28:25 GMT 3
Oh, where did you get these plates? I have a bunch of nomadic images from the same author, but I don't know who he/she is. AFAIK Jurchens were the ancestors of Manchus. |
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 6, 2007 23:49:47 GMT 3
i have those in black & white in a book i bought in China, but i have no idea where they originaly came from, it's a series of pictures showing Chinese warriors from ancient times to the Qing (manchu) dynasty. can you also post your pictures about Nomads? I know Jurchen are ancestors of Manchu, but i also don't know if Manchu can be considdered Steppe people or not...  thinking about it, i'm also unsure if Soghdians are Steppe people or not, but Gorelik has them in his book so i posted them. btw, next are Mongols, so Erdene, your time has come! ;D |
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 10, 2007 20:44:53 GMT 3
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jan 10, 2007 22:19:07 GMT 3
Thanks for the great post! can you also post your pictures about Nomads? I will definitely do so in a short while. Soghdians were sedentary. The region of Mawarannahr is the traditional sedentary center of Turkistan. |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jan 10, 2007 22:48:27 GMT 3
I think they manifested the nomadic culture throughout their history. Although, today, they are heavily sinicized.  Nurhaci Khan, the founding father of the Manchu empire, leads his troops into the conquest of China  Kangxi Emperor (1654 – 1722)  Camp of Qianlong Emperor (1711 – 1799)  Qianlong Emperor in ceremonial armour on horseback (by Giuseppe Castiglione)  One of the Qianlong Emperor's Manchu bodyguards  Manchu leader Macan persues Qazaq (Kazak) nomad (by Giuseppe Castiglione)  |
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