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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 28, 2006 0:24:28 GMT 3
some of the best & rarest pictures i have are about Uzbeks & Kalmyks. Wow, I want to see Ozbeks. Are they from M.Gorelik? Qarakhanid rulers and army were nomadic Turks. According to Barthold, Qarakhanid elite consisted of two Qarluq clans - Yagma and Chigil. Their empire started in the Jetisu region in Talas valley, on the border between modern Kazakstan and Kyrgyzstan. Ghaznavid dynasty was founded by the Turkic general Alp Tigin from Afghanistan. So the elite and probably the considerable part of the army of Ghaznavids were of Turkic origin. I think you should include both, especially Qarakhanids. |
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 28, 2006 0:41:09 GMT 3
Wow, I want to see Ozbeks. Are they from M.Gorelik? no, they are from another Russian painter, he made a series of pictures, i guess from 15th century, it includes mostly Uzebks & their neighbours (Khirgiz, Kazakh & Tajiks), even Kalmyks, Jungars, Mongols and Manchu, but the Manchu look like from a much later period. |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 28, 2006 1:40:07 GMT 3
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 28, 2006 2:01:12 GMT 3
yes exactly!  but those pictures are not the pics i have, except for the one on page 2. can you tell me what those warriors are? are there more of those pics on that site? |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 28, 2006 2:18:56 GMT 3
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 28, 2006 3:00:59 GMT 3
wow, thanks a lot, a real treasure has been opened to me. BUT, the pictures of Uzbeks i mentioned are not amongst them.  btw, i didn't clearly understood the descriptions, is the warrior on the right a Cossack? beause he looks a bit like a Zaporozhian Cossack from Ukraine and the description says something like Russian Cossack...  |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Dec 28, 2006 3:16:06 GMT 3
wow, thanks a lot, a real treasure has been opened to me. You're very welcome. That's what the sharing is all about, isn't it? I know. Are you talking about these pictures? www.kyrgyz.ru/?page=213Yes, he's a Cossack. You can use following website to translate the Russian text: translate.meta.ua |
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 28, 2006 22:57:58 GMT 3
yes, those are the pictures. and that translator is really good! |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 30, 2006 4:39:05 GMT 3
You also should include the Qarakhanids because they somehow continued nomadic cultural traditions. But the Ghaznavids did not.
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Post by Temüjin on Dec 30, 2006 20:36:32 GMT 3
ok, I will show Karakhanids...what about Samanids?
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Jan 3, 2007 1:15:36 GMT 3
Samanids were of Iranian/Tajik origin.
I would like to see all of them, especially Qarakhanids.
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Post by kokturk on Jan 3, 2007 1:53:20 GMT 3
And AFAIK Samanids were not Steppe Warriors.
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 3, 2007 22:33:37 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 4, 2007 4:56:34 GMT 3
Wonderful! Thanks a lot! |
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 4, 2007 23:42:20 GMT 3
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but those pictures are not the pics i have, except for the one on page 2. can you tell me what those warriors are? are there more of those pics on that site?
