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Post by sarmat on Jan 29, 2010 17:19:24 GMT 3
No, unfortunatelly, most of the Finnic people were not a part of the steppe, moreover there was a huge gap between the mentalities of the Finnic tribal farmers of the Central Russia and the Steppans, like they were people from absolutely different words.
During the conquest of the Finnish tribes, Russian princes, also as a rule, used Kipchak mercenaries that terrified peaceful Finnic farmers many of whom according to the Russian chronicles never say mounted archers.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 30, 2010 11:39:07 GMT 3
Oh nice ;D
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Post by aynur on Mar 30, 2011 21:11:59 GMT 3
Hello, everybody! I'm back on the forums, lost my password for a looong time.
Anyway, I wanted to bring this thread back up because I made a discovery about a week ago from a biology teacher of mine whose been to Mongolia and the Baykal region quite a few times and told me about the similarities between Finnish, Mongolian and the Turkic languages in Baykal. An asterism we call Otava (Big Dipper) here in Finland according to him is called 'Ota' in Mongolia. A fish we call siika here in Finland is called 'siiga' in Baykal (must've been a Buryat) and another fish called taimi is referred to as 'taimej' over there. It was pretty surprising to hear it.
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Post by sillentregrets on Mar 31, 2011 10:28:45 GMT 3
I am afraid I have to disagree with you, Aynur. I am not sure of name of the fishes but Big Dipper is not called "Ota" in Mongolia. Moreover, as Mongolia is landlocked country it has relatively less sophisticated marine culture. Thus, most of the fish names used in Mongolia are borrowed words from Russian which may have originated from Finnish.
SillentRegrets
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Post by benzin on Mar 31, 2011 11:32:58 GMT 3
SilentRegrets : Are you from Mongolia ? Could you help me out with the meaning of some tribal names ? Im most interested in the Oirat tribes (Ölööd, Eleud, Khoshut) does these words mean anything in mongolian ? Its not really for this topic, if you write me it in email is just fine (vben (@) freemail.hu)
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Post by sillentregrets on Mar 31, 2011 13:55:00 GMT 3
SilentRegrets : Are you from Mongolia ? Could you help me out with the meaning of some tribal names ? Im most interested in the Oirat tribes (Ölööd, Eleud, Khoshut) does these words mean anything in mongolian ? Its not really for this topic, if you write me it in email is just fine (vben (@) freemail.hu) Sorry, with my meager knowledge, I can't explain it to you in greater degree. Please have a look at following link which might help. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OiratsSillentRegrets |
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Post by aynur on Mar 31, 2011 18:21:32 GMT 3
I'm not the one who said that, so I can't be too sure whether it's credible or not and the names can always change from region to region. Ethnically of course the Finns are a totally different people from the Mongols, Oirats and the Buryats because we've lived in forests and the tundra regions of northern Lapland amongst the Sami but linguistically Uralic and Altaic languages have also mixed, be it through marriages or an exchange of words from merchants. It's possible those words were taken from the Udmurt or Komi who are close to the Finns. But I don't know.
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Post by osman on Apr 30, 2011 15:06:41 GMT 3
Aynur, Have you ever seen a saami woman like that in any other part of the world where sami you think would inhabiate! With the collapse of Khazar (Türkish Hazar) Dynasty by the Russians they were given two optiond: either they would accept christianity or juvish (Tora) as theri religion not islam. They instead of choosing christianity they chosen jewish. Some of them later on fleed to Ukrain, Finland, Latvia and Lithuania. The woman you see was not an ethnic jewish, she was ethnically Turkish but in terms of religion she was jewish!! Bye now Dr.Osman  |
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Post by osman on Apr 30, 2011 15:28:26 GMT 3
Aynur,
I do not know who named you. But even your own name signals that it is Turkish rather than Swedishor finnish!!! In Turkish Ay means Moon. Nur means light. So altogether it means the light rays of the moon. It is very nice name.
Let's get down to the subject now. Have you ever seen a jewish woman look like that and wearing like that in the any other part of the world. The answer is NO!! The clan of this woman is belonged to Khazara which was a member of Khazar (Turkish Hazar) Dynasty. But it was demolished by the Russian Empire. Russians obliged them to leave their religion which was then islam and to accept either christianity or judaism. They chosen jewish and they became jew in terms of religion but they are Turkish.
When it comes to your question. Finno-Ugrik people are definitely from eurasia but that does not mean they should always be light color and colourful eyes. No. I am Turkish and my ancestors were directly Huns but I am not light haired and coloured eyed person.
outer appereance is nothing you should turn to inner side. The culture is something creates you not your body or your mother or father!!!!
Bye now...
Dr.Osman
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Post by osman on Apr 30, 2011 15:44:27 GMT 3
I now again support Aynur,
Yes the language of Finn's and Mongol's is very similar to turkish cause they are agglutinative languages and got their roots from protoTurkish. And the name of fish wheter it be from mongol or finn or ukrain came directly from Turkish roots.
Bye now
Dr.Osman
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Post by osman on Apr 30, 2011 15:51:19 GMT 3
Hi silent regret,
the Oirat tribes (Ölööd, Eleud, Khoshut) have nothing to do with mongolian. They are the tribal names of Khazak Türks living in Mongolia near Balkaþ lake. The Ölööd tribe is now called eluits which are close kin to Haks and Tuva people of Sibiria. They are Turks as well. They live now in partly in Finland and in USA and Canada.
Bye now
Dr.Osman
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Post by pohjanpoika on May 22, 2011 21:24:46 GMT 3
Finns from Finland lives far away from the steppe. Not sure how big part this was but many finns lived as seminomads living from Kaskiviljely/Slash and burn farming and hunting.
How about the volgafinns, erza mokºa and others. What kind of culture do they have? And had earlier in history. As they have lived close with tatars and some also speak tatar as their mothertounge i wonder if they shared the same culture.
There are many uralic ppl living as nomads but are the magyars the only "horsepeople" among the uralic ppl?
The saami used a very diffrent bow from the scandinavians. It had Siyahs/kasans/szarv an idea they hardly got from any neighbours. They had no horn availible but they used two kinds of wood together, not sure if they used sinew. I wonder if that was an bowtype they got from their days furhter east.
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Post by pohjanpoika on May 22, 2011 21:55:57 GMT 3
I think these skinheads are mostly belonged Swedish Minority of your country. Swedish Culture Imperialism is very high potential danger for Finland in my opinion. Finns are ethnically Uralic People and different from Norwegians, Swedish, Danns. But there is a huge Sweedish Influence in your south coast and metropol regions. Aynur, would you give some information about the Swedish Invasion of Finland? Do you have national heroes who resisted them? Btwn I am an admirer of Finns Winter War against commies  Aynur seems to have forget about Nuijasota/Cudgel War with the leader Jaakko Ilkka who did a uprising against the swedes without even having real weapons hence the name of the war. They were succsesfull at first with wins against smaller units stationed in Finland, finally they were killed off by a swedish army I think a second attempt were made with the same outcome. There is also one man named Lalli who did little to liberate finland but is famous for killing a bishop that came to his house when only his wife was home and demanded the poor family to share their food, drinks and fodder with him and his entourage without paying. When Lalli later came home and found out. He pursued the bishop and found them crossing a frozen river. The bishops entourage fled and hid in a nearby forest, while Lalli decapitated bishop Henrik with an axe. |
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Post by Tobodai on Jul 19, 2011 21:35:39 GMT 3
Well Finnish is most related to Estonian and Hungarian is it not? It may have Inner Eurasian origins but they could be northern taiga rather than steppe based for all we know. By the way, a great song about Finnish resistance to Christianization and colonization is a Korpiklaani song called 'Rise" and it seems to involve a bunch of missionaries being killed by spirits summoned from the forest-of course I can't understand the Finnish language parts so I am not entirely sure. www.youtube.com/watch?v=931DIRmBnEc |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 20, 2011 19:43:57 GMT 3
Finnish is closely related with Estonian and other Finnic languages spoken in Russia. Hungarian is distantly relative and the two languages are not mutually intelligeble.
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