Siberians / Native Americans

[earthandice]

I have taken anthropology courses in college as well as being a member of several anthropology groups by email.

In a couple of the coursed I took in college, my professor was studying the correlation of teeth from the Orient and Asia to the teeth in the Andies of South America. There are two types of teeth in South America, one corresponding to Mongolia and the other to South East Asia such as Malaysia and the islands north of Australia.

There is also DNA evidence that connects the Native Americans to both areas also.

There is also archaeological evidence that the arrival of Native American to the continent was long before the so called ice free corridor form the Bering Straight. Several sites in North America have been dated to 13,000 years before present, and there is a site in South America dated to 14,000 ybp.

The Clovis First theory is no longer valid.

I have also thought about some of the Native American ways of belief. A nomadic people would not think they were traveling that far if they did not move very far in each generation. And they would have no way to realize they were moving to another continent, there was not aerial photographs to show this. They would have been very similar to the Mongols in their thinking, that they were moving to a different area of the same continent or not even realizing they were on a continent. Granted the Native Americans were a stone age culture, and the Mongols were I believe Iron Age.

With the Five Worlds, there might have been five different locations that their ancestors lived in. Just a possibility, thinking with a keyboard.

[Subu'atai]

Your "professor" has forgotten the scientific fact of genetic drift. Nowadays anthropology is still mumble-jumbled by politics and historical racialism. As of this moment no concrete evidence is able to cement the theory of Native Americans but nonetheless whether they are mixed with Central-Asians or not I don't care.

I support the Clovisian theory as well as the Out-Of-Africa theory yes, but if the Out-of-Africa theory is true then Clovisians deserve their own individual racial or ethnic identity (or even INDIVIDUAL identity) and we do not have the right to impose any other on them.

Meh, think I've changed =/

[MagyarTanhu]

Jun 9, 2009 0:42:43 GMT 3 H. İhsan Erkoç said:

Definitely ;D ;D ;D ;D

With this I agree with you. I have the complete Arvisura - and could say it is neither reliable source. Of course it contains some remarkable interesting thoughts but otherwise I do not take it as real source.

[MagyarTanhu]

Look at their shamanistic worship and cultural values - like for the Sioux's and more precisely Lakotas. "Big Gost, Mother Earth..."

Similar to Ancient Asian Shamanistic worship

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Greetings magyartanhu, welcome aboard

Yes, the shamanism of North American natives is similar to Central Asian-Siberian shamanisms.

[MagyarTanhu]

Mar 5, 2010 17:30:00 GMT 3 H. İhsan Erkoç said:

Greetings magyartanhu, welcome aboard

Yes, the shamanism of North American natives is similar to Central Asian-Siberian shamanisms.

Ihsan, I am critical to you in my first contribution from yesterday but reading other comments of you you are not so bad guy!

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Well, not everyone disagrees with everyone's views in this forum, but we don't get furious about that

[Subu'atai]

You still owe me a beer Khagan... I'm furious about that... but I forgot what for... too drunk lol xP

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

You wanted to see me drunk, I guess that's why I owe you a beer ;D Will do that if we'll meet in real life as well one day

[aynur]

I've always believed there was at least some sort of connection between Turkic, Mongolic and the Native American peoples, though it has to be noted that the split happened a very long time ago and what united the Altaic, Siberian and Native Americans is their culture. I mean, look at those peoples during war. The Turks and the Mongols were fierce, so were the Native Americans. Another example is throat singing.

[Deleted]

Native Americans throat sing too?

[Verinen Paroni]

I believe to Arvisura. As a Finn I see similarity between Väinämöinen and Tengri.

It is good that our old religion will rise again.

[ftballplaya99]

Paleo-Africans in America
Several types of blacks entered the Americas including the Anu or negrito type and the Proto-Saharan variety of blacks. Up until recently it was believed that the first humans crossed the Bering Strait 12,000 B.P., to enter the North American continent.(Begley 1991, p.15) This view was never accepted by physical anthropologists who have found skeletal remains far older than 12,000 B.P.

The last ice age in North America lasted between 110,000 and 17,000BP. The ice-free corridor on the eastern flank of the Rockies did not open before 13,000 years ago. Africans were in the Americas long before the end of the last Ice Age when the “Siberians”, began to cross the Bearing Straits. By 12,500 BC Africans were already living in Chile.


The first Americans did not cross the Bearing Straits to enter the Americas.The earliest sites for Negroes date between 20,000 and 40000 years ago Old Crow Basin Canada(38,000BC) Pedra Furada (45,000BC) Brazil. These people were pygmies and bushman types according to Dr. Dixon, & Dr. Marquez(p.179).

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Yeah yeah

[carlbrown]

Jun 5, 2009 13:33:39 GMT 3 ltafrank said:

I am Native American and the reason Native Americans don't go along with the we walked to America through the bering strait is because we believe we have always been in America. We have our own creation stories and each nation is unique and has it's own language, culture and creation story. But that may be because it has been so very long ago that we may have been a part of the steppes. Non Native American scholars say we are of Mongol decent. I taught at the Navajo reservation and we had to take classes before we could teach on the rez and the Non Navajos told us their own understanding of the Navajo creation story and made it that the five worlds were actually places Navajos stopped at along the way to Navajo Land or better land of the people which is English for what the Navajo call their reservation. However, we all get the Mongol blue spot.

As an American I believe my people have always been here. The theory that my people came from Europe is ridiculous. I believe we were created here.

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