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Post by temur on Feb 12, 2007 15:33:43 GMT 3
Some Moghul rulers thought that they are more Turks than Mongols. To some extent, you can't equal Mongol to Moghul even though they have blood connection. Moghul is not a 100% Mongol Empire! In terms of assimilation, this phenomenon happened not only in China but also in Persia, Turk, neally all Mongols were converted to true Muslim and to Turkish ppls. I think it,s very hard to find a people who dare to say I,m a Mongol in India. Yup, neally all Manchu ppls have been assimilated to Chinese society, and more and more Mongol are becaming happy to accept Chinese and their culture. In fact, Turkish peoples are facing the same problems that Mongols are facing. Many Turkish ppl were brought up in western world, for example, some young soccer players of Turkey national team were brought up in Germany, they even can't speak mother language, but they have a warm heart to serve for their country and win great honor for their peoples. We can't blame them and their parents because they have right to earn much more money than they do in their mother land and let their children to receive better education. Plus, I know that Turkey is doing hard to join European Union, this government decision have been hotly discussed in Turkish society, many preserved Muslim believers strongly opposed Tukish entry to EU, because they believed that after many new ideas and advanced things of western world enter their realm, the purity of Muslim would more or less affected by those things. But let's look at reality, in fact, no one can stop the pace of Turkey entering in to EU! I,m also certan that even Turkey successfully enters EU, their faith and identity will be preserved for ever. Mongols, such as me, who live in China just want to learn their advanced culture and technics on making business, but they never show any signs to subject to them. We have warm heart toward our mother land, and are willing to win great honor to our ppls, just like Tukish soccer players who were brought up in Germany. Manchu were actually bad rulers, they eventually got completely assimilated by Chinese, today there are only few true Manchu left, but many Mongols (but still decreasing because of Chinese). Moghuls were also very sucessfull until Aurangzeb descided on his extremist Muslim policy and his Hindu subjects rebelled and let to general disintegration and decline.
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Post by temur on Feb 11, 2007 16:40:41 GMT 3
Giving Chinese right to bake their moon cake itself is a cruelty and discrimination. In Yuan Empire, Mongol ruler underlined 4 classes, First class:Mongol; second, colored eye(Persian, Turk and Europeans) ;third class:Northern Chinese;fourth class:Southern Chinese. After Mongol took the regime, massacre had never been stopped. When Yuan was established, Chinese population is 300 millions, but at the middle of the Yuan dynasty, only 30 million left. According to broad survey, half of death tolls were resulted from Mongol suppression, and another half come from natural disaster. Our Mongol must learn something of ruling a country well from manchu Empire.when Manchu EIGHT Banner took the regime, they faced the same problems that Mongol Emperor had faced 300 years ago. At first, they force all Chinese to cut their hair and made pigtail of Manchu style. Manchu rulers gave a death order( if you cut your hair, your head would be saved, and if you don't cut your hair, your head would be cut off). Chinese certainly can't accept this decree, but they finally accepted it after millions were butchered. To this point, I have to say Manchu Rulers did very well, because they successfully force Chinese to accept Manchurian as the descent ruler of Chinese Empire, secondly they converted Chinese wearing style to Manchurian style, Manchu Ruler devoted themselves to learn Chinese language, calligraphy, as well as their custom which are very important to rule Chinese. After decades bloody massacre and suppression, Manchu ruler bagan to exert Mercy rule to appease the anger of Chinese peoples. But let,s look at Mongol ruler, they did bad in running a government, not only in China, but also in Persia, Russia, as well in Central Asia. What they brought to those region are mass destruction on economy, and reduction on population. As far as I,m concerned, if we want to rebuild strong Mongol, we must learn something from Ottman Turkish Empire, and Manchu Empire, esp Ottman Empire, this Empire last more than 600 years. But Mongol Empire last 93 years in China. I heard that there are a lot of "humiliation of Mongols" traditions in China!?. But I heard that Mongol rulers gave right to bake large number of moon cakes to stop mass hunger. Surely they did not wanted chinese to be dead. Mongol rulers were cruel(against crime & rebels), but not bad rulers(=were humans!).
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Post by temur on Feb 10, 2007 12:17:04 GMT 3
In fact, I don't eat it at all, because that day is the humiliation of Mongols. But such sensation of humiliation is diminished day by day, more and more Mongols begin to eat it. I,m a preserved guy, so I don't eat or taste it forever. Yuan Mongol was probably the strongest Empire at that time, nevertheless, Mongol Khans did very bad on governing a strong govenment. It was much more an invincible military machine than a functioning govenment. The whole artile is correct except for one point. The uprising didn't overthrow the whole Yuan Empire at once Thanks for the info. Do you eat mooncakes during the Mid-Autumn Festival?
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Post by temur on Feb 9, 2007 13:33:32 GMT 3
The whole artile is correct except for one point. The uprising didn't overthrow the whole Yuan Empire at once, they just overthrew the local Mongol rulers in Anhui province. After this uprising, Yuan Empire was divided into 3 part, Yuan Mongol Empire, Zhu Yuan Zhang, and Chen You Liang(³ÂÓÑÁ£©¡£ They fought against each others for 10 years, until Yuan Empire was totally overthrew. Oops, sorry... Actually I've heard about that story before. Here're some links: MooncakeMing revolutionMooncakes were used as a medium by the Ming revolutionaries in their espionage effort to secretly distribute letters in order to overthrow the Mongolian rulers of China in the Yuan dynasty. The idea is said to be conceived by Zhu Yuanzhang (ÖìÔªè°) and his advisor Liu Bowen („¢²®œØ), who circulated a rumor that a deadly plague was spreading and the only way to prevent it was to eat the special mooncakes. This prompted the quick distribution of the mooncakes, which were used to hide a secret message coordinating the Han Chinese revolt on 15th day of the eighth lunar month. Another method of hiding the message was printed in the surface of mooncakes as a simple puzzle or mosaic. In order to read the encrypted message, each of the 4 mooncakes packaged together must be cut into 4 parts each. The 16 pieces of mooncake, must then be pieced together in such a fashion that the secret messages can be read. The pieces of mooncake are then eaten to destroy the message. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MooncakeOverthrow of Mongol rule According to a widespread folk tale (not necessarily supported by historical records), the Mid-Autumn Festival commemorates an uprising in China against the Mongol rulers of the Yuan Dynasty (1280¨C1368) in the 14th century. As group gatherings were banned, it was impossible to make plans for a rebellion. Noting that the Mongols did not eat mooncakes, Liu Bowen („¢²®œØ) of Zhejiang Province, advisor to the Chinese rebel leader Zhu Yuanzhang, came up with the idea of timing the rebellion to coincide with the Mid-Autumn Festival. He sought permission to distribute thousands of moon cakes to the Chinese residents in the city to bless the longevity of the Mongol emperor. Inside each cake, however, was inserted a piece of paper with the message: "Kill the Tatars on the 15th day of the Eighth Moon" (°ËÔÂÊ®Î嚢í^×Ó).[citation needed] On the night of the Moon Festival, the rebels successfully attacked and overthrew the government. What followed was the establishment of the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), under Zhu. Henceforth, the Mid-Autumn Festival was celebrated with moon cakes on a national level. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Autumn_FestivalThe Legend of Eating Mooncakes Mooncakes symbolize the gathering of friends and family and are an indispensable part of the offerings made to the Earth God, Tu Ti Kung. According to popular belief, the custom of eating mooncakes began in the late Yuan dynasty. As the story goes, the Han people of that time resented the Mongol rule of the Yuan Dynasty and revolutionaries, led by Chu Yuan-chang, plotted to usurp the throne. Chu needed to find a way of uniting the people to revolt on the same day without letting the Mongol rulers learn of the plan. Chu's close advisor, Liu Po-wen, finally came up with a brilliant idea. A rumor was spread that a plague was ravaging the land and that only by eating a special mooncake distributed by the revolutionaries could the disaster be prevented. The mooncakes were then distributed only to the Han people, who found, upon cutting the cakes open, the message "Revolt on the fifteenth of the eighth moon." Thus informed, the people rose together on the designated day to overthrow the Yuan, and since that time mooncakes have become an integral part of the Mid-Autumn Festival. www.gio.gov.tw/info/festival_c/moon_e/html/eat.htm
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Post by temur on Mar 2, 2007 16:07:44 GMT 3
It,s a Japanese gate. In fact, Chinese erect gate for decoration, in contrast, Japanese endowed more meaning on it. Japanese built gate before some sacred place,e.g. shrines, and temples, etc. I`m talking about this : (I`m not against China/Japan culture but... )
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Post by temur on Feb 15, 2007 16:44:46 GMT 3
You can slap that masty Chinese business guy, he want to earn more and more money from you. I never heard about 3 legged frog thing 3 legged frog! u are funny. It,s a cripple frog i think. Here in Mongolia a Fengshui shop advice to by a statue of 3 legged frog with coin in its mouth. They say this will bring money to your house.
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Post by temur on Feb 15, 2007 15:55:56 GMT 3
3 legged frog! u are funny. It,s a cripple frog i think. Carrying turtle is superstition, but Fengshui is land picking( many estates business man always resort to it) So what can U tell about 3 legged frog?
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Post by temur on Feb 15, 2007 15:42:21 GMT 3
Carrying turtle is superstition, but Fengshui is land picking( many estates business man always resort to it) If Fengshui is all about advicing how to pick a land! then why it is advicing about money & long life...etc. Forexample : if carry amulet with turtle U will live long like turtle.
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Post by temur on Feb 15, 2007 15:36:35 GMT 3
In fact,more and more American business men begin to believe it. What a strange phenomenon it is! I hate all those new age-things, which not belong to here, like wiccas etc... Fengshui is here just marginal phenomenon. Well...I saw on TV that Fengshui was getting more popular in Germany. And what is "wiccas"? ;D
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Post by temur on Feb 15, 2007 15:34:40 GMT 3
Yup there is no link between child and fengshui. The literate translation of Feng-shui is wind-water. It,s more concerned about land. When Yuan Mongol Empire built Grand palace in Beijing, Emperor invite Daoists to look the site of palace, and to tell which place is fit for building main palace. Bor chono, you can search it in google, Chinese have a picky custom on selecting the place for palace. I can't write it down one by one, because it,s a huge task. It,s a biased eye on gender, Chinese like boy esp for Chinese peasants. Chinese peasants want boy because boys are more useful in farm work than girls. It has no direct relation between boy and Fengshui. So your telling that in Feng-shui there is no advices about having child.
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Post by temur on Feb 15, 2007 15:23:39 GMT 3
I saw that Hawk in afternoon. Birds bring good news when sun is rising. Brids bring bad news when sun is setting.
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Post by temur on Feb 15, 2007 14:42:03 GMT 3
You are right, but some ppls believe it. mabe it,s their belief. But I understand their feeling. Like all "made in China" things, Feng-shui is an unnecessary, ridicilous, phoney, fake and third-class thing.
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Post by temur on Feb 15, 2007 14:30:33 GMT 3
It,s a biased eye on gender, Chinese like boy esp for Chinese peasants. Chinese peasants want boy because boys are more useful in farm work than girls. It has no direct relation between boy and Fengshui. I was not scared by that noble woman in my dream. I just felt warm and love. I saw that Hawk in afternoon. Pls don't kidding me! i,m also serious on this topic. I see... Temur U are useless in this topic! However, answer to one question : "What do Chinese use to make a male child to be born?, do they use items or worship to ancestors/temples? It is said Fengshui covers all aspects of human life so there must be something in Fendshui!? (-important thing to know for all Chinese! cuz every chinese family want to have a son)" Let`s be more serious on this Topic!. Mongols long lived in Gers(=Yurts). Ger is like one room or circle. It has only one door & roof window called "Toono". Fire place, Gods, Beds,...etc everything has its own rightful place in a circle. This became a real Yosa(=Yasa) that U can`t change. But now many live in many (square) roomed apartments. It seems like the old Yosa of putting things in right place has gone with gers. Still no one is building circle apartments! During soviets educated Mongol families lived like Russians. In schools & at homes Mongols started to grow house plants. I mean adopted a new culture. Now Fengshui is going to add more contrast to it making Mongols more Chinese like. Fengshui advices which plant to grow, what colors U need, where to put things to harvest more so called good energy...etc. They even advice amulets for happiness, good luck, money..etc. Then question occurs "what is wrong with our old (bone) amulets?".(Our Mongolian amulets does not promise money. They mostly for spiritual power & safety.) Presently ppl start to think "Money is Power"(also everyone dream about easy money!) -well..yes that`s true! If your country is poor it means your country is weak. But if ppl are mentally poor it means country is in danger. I think, believing that these Chinese made items will bring U more money, health...etc & buying them -is wrong!. Only chinese might profit from it. More danger is U are losing your identity/who U are. Your acting/living like Chinese. Your not longer believing to what your ancestors believed, instead you are believing to what chinese ancestors believed -Do U think this is normal?. U live sedentary, but U still can stay a nomad in way of thinking/acting. To Baron : -What is situation in Finn-land? ;D To Temur again : About your dream! "I made a dream that night in which a noble Mongol woman,looks like a queen ,came to my bed side and smile to me, and I was weeping until I was wake up by sadness."-If this women wasn`t your relative(like grandmother) LOL your gone crazy!. I believe, there are some stories, that during Manchu rule, many noble women(who tryed to teach moral) were unjustly accused for being witch & been burned/killed. And so their soul hunt ppl who accused them!. So that`s why your soul was shaking from fear!. ;D About bird! I hope U see things well. Birds are servents of Tengri. They can bring good or bad news while most land animal bring bad news. A quetion : did U saw that bird early in the morning or late afternoon?
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Post by temur on Feb 14, 2007 16:55:29 GMT 3
I nearly forget to answer this question. Chinese perspective toward Nomadic life is complex. Half brutal and half free feeling. America and western world saw Mongol Empire as a Brutal Empire. I know a lot of American and European friends, most of them saw Mongol Empire like this way. And some even have no ideas on nomadic life. Yup, I admit that Chinese culture influenced me alot, but I still act like a free soldier. I,m always the most naughty student in Chinese school. What do U ppl think about Feng-shui? What do U know about it? Is it foreign threat for Nomadic beliefs & traditions?
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Post by temur on Feb 14, 2007 16:45:13 GMT 3
Before Nazi Germany invaded Russia, some astrologists was executed by Hitler because they seem to know some important things. Does astrology have something related to supernatural. Dear Baron Sometimes I have the same feeling. But sometimes I,m confused by some strange things which I can't explain by scientific view Do you believe superstition? I believe in supernatural, but I don't think that fengshui is part of that. I'm sure that there is many spirits, and also some people have supernatural powers.
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