Attila
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Post by Attila on Jan 21, 2009 11:32:33 GMT 3
Which modern Altaic (or any language for that matter, but most likely Altaic) language is the closest relation to the ancient Hun language (from around the time of Attila)?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 21, 2009 14:55:47 GMT 3
The Huns were speakers of Eastern Old Turkic, which is also known as the Turkic Z-Dialect. The closest modern language to Old Turkic are Yughur spoken in China. What I heard from the spoken Altay language spoken in the Altai Region, it's also quite close to Old Turkic. However, some features and suffixes of Old Turkic only survived in Modern Anatolian Turkish.
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Post by Atabeg on Jan 21, 2009 17:00:09 GMT 3
what about oghur turkic like chuvash?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 22, 2009 4:32:24 GMT 3
That is indeed the most wide-spread view shared among the scholars, but what I saw from the Turkic names of Huns, they look like Z/Eastern-Old Turkic, not R/Western-Old Turkic.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 22, 2009 21:07:19 GMT 3
Very simple: it's actually Bončuq, which survives in Modern Turkish as Boncuk, meaning "Bead"
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Post by hjernespiser on Jan 26, 2009 6:41:56 GMT 3
Yes, Hunnic is considered by most to be r-Turkic. I think by "Old Turkic" Ihsan means "Proto-Turkic". Old Turkic is a term reserved for the old z-Turkic dialect inscribed on stones like the Orkhon monument.
Also, monchak means "button" in Tuvan. It is also a somewhat derogatory term used by Mongols for Tuvans.
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Post by ALTAR on Jan 26, 2009 10:21:57 GMT 3
Mundzhuk is still used name among Tuvans.
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Post by aca on Jan 26, 2009 13:41:16 GMT 3
What about Modu Shanyu (冒頓單于)? Some say his Turkic name was Baatur, Bator, Baghadur. But to me it looks very much like Sakha (Yakut) "modun" meaning "mighty".
Also the Xiongnu title t'u-ch'i seems to be related with Turkic doghri, meaning "straight, faithful". But in Yakut language the word "doğor" means "close friend"
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Post by tengrikut on Jan 26, 2009 21:35:15 GMT 3
i think "doðor" is related to "doðan" which means brother.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jan 27, 2009 0:57:02 GMT 3
What about Modu Shanyu (冒頓單于)? Some say his Turkic name was Baatur, Bator, Baghadur. But to me it looks very much like Sakha (Yakut) "modun" meaning "mighty". It's that m/b interchange again. Compare Tuvan maadyr (hero) which is cognate with bator, et al.
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Post by Asparuh on Jan 27, 2009 3:07:45 GMT 3
Hello Maotun,how are you?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 27, 2009 3:10:27 GMT 3
Doğan means brother? In which dialect/language?
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Post by ALTAR on Jan 27, 2009 13:53:10 GMT 3
Doğan means brother? In which dialect/language? In Turkmenistani dialect its called Dogan, Kazakh and Kyrygz Togan... It has a meaning like Relatives, not exactly brothers.
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Post by tengrikut on Jan 27, 2009 19:41:03 GMT 3
It is used in Anatolia in some areas, too.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 27, 2009 20:48:09 GMT 3
Uhm, I had written a reply to our dear Aca Yabghu's post but our dear Altar Yabghu accidently deleted it while quoting my post Anyway, using Edwin Pulleyblank's lexigon, I showed how it is possible for the Hunnic title Tuqi (T'u-ch'i) 屠耆 to be Old Turkic Toghry as Aca suggested.
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