I found several interesting articles at Wikipedia

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

(Originially posted by BK at September 22, 2004)
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I've found interesting articles at wikipedia, some are very professiionay done,butohters are more less profesionally,

anyway I have found a aarticle about the oghuz turks, adn gokturks,

I just wanted to hear your opion about the articles are they good written,


I have a very interesting articel about the azerbaijanins to ,

look foryourself, itsvery professional down, we could have a debatte about the articels could we,

What do you think about the articles,are they sincere( thruth) ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijanis about the azerbaijanis

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz about the oghuz

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gokturks about the gokturks


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(Originially posted by me at September 22, 2004)
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From the 5th century onwards, the Oguz were the founders and rulers of several important Turkic kingdoms and empires, the most notable of them being the Gokturks, Seljuks, Safavids and Ottomans.

The Oghuz as an identical people probably appeared in the 9th-10th centuries, they weren't the rulers of the Gök Türk empire (that was the Ashina Tribe of the Türük/Tujue people).

Tujue (突厥 tu2 jue2)

Actually that would be Tu1 Jue2.

established the first known Turkic state around 552

Oh, there were definitially Turkic states before the Tujue!

For example, the Book of Dede Korkut which is the historic epic of the Oguz Turks was written in Azerbaijan in the 6th and 7th century.

I don't believe this.

According to many historians, the usage of the word "Oguz" is dated back to the advent of the Huns (220 BC).

No, not that early.

The title of "Oguz" (Oguz Khan) was given to Mete

Surely it wasn't. The title of Maodun (Modu) was Chengli Gudu Chanyu.

refered to as Hsiung-Nu or "colored-eyed people" in Chinese sources)

Xiongnu (Hsiung-nu) surely doesn't mean "Colored Eyed" or something, it means "Ferocious/Brutal Slaves" when directly translated, but it's clear that it was a Chinese transcription of the name Khunnu (Ancient Chinese version of Xiongnu was Hongnu (Hung-nu)).

It must be noted that the Greek sources used the name Oufi (or Ouvvi) to describe the Oguz Turks, a name they had also used to describe the Huns centuries earlier.

Source?

This was the first written reference to Oguz, and was dated to the period of the Gokturk empire.

Hmm, are we sure that these were the same with the Oghuz of 10th-11th centuries?

Prior to the Gokturk state, there are references to the "Sekiz-Oguz" ("eight-Oguz") and the "Dokuz-Oguz" ("nine-Oguz") union.

;D ;D ;D

The Toquz Oghuz were formed by several Tiele peoples in the early 7th century, around the 620s when the Eastern Tujue started to decline.

Sorry, but the Toquz Oghuz Alliance didn't exist before the 7th century; though the Tiele peoples did.

They are also regarded as descendants of various bodies of Turks (Scythians (Ishkuz), Cimmerians, Huns, Gokturks, Khazars, Barsils, Kurtugurs, Saragurs, Kipchaks and others)

The Scythians and Cimmerians were not Turkic.

The Huns, Khazars, Bulgars, Barsils, Sabirs, Gokturks, Kutugurs, Kipchaks and others had been some of the Turkic people who had dwelled in Azerbaijan and participated in pre-Islamic Azerbaijan's state formations .

The Tujue didn't live there (though they ruled it for some time).

According to historian Kalankatly, in the period between 191-200 A.D., hordes of Barsil and Khazar Turks crossed the Kura river in Azerbaijan.

But did the Khazars existed back then? I don't think so.

[kenaney]

Also in the 2nd century BC, a Turkic tribe called "O-kut" who were described as Huns (referred to as Xiongnu or "colored-eyed people" in Chinese sources)

So our ancestors where colored eyed Turks?

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Those Hegu don't necesserily have to be the same with the Oghuz. The Oghuz appear in 9th century AD whereas their origins are still not very clear (from the Toquz Oghuz or from the On Oq?).