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Post by Azadan Januspar on Aug 19, 2008 8:06:13 GMT 3
sak- in Avestan means "being powerful" also in Sanskrit śak-. There is this possibility that these people were calling themselves by other names.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 20, 2008 13:49:42 GMT 3
Interesting.
How exactly are the "a"s and "k"s in Saka ponounced btw?
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Aug 21, 2008 1:58:51 GMT 3
/Sæka/ in modern Persian
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 21, 2008 11:17:01 GMT 3
Ah ok so it's Sakâ (Sèkâ) سكا  |
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Oct 8, 2008 3:26:58 GMT 3
There's a city in Iran with name of Sangsar, this city lays at close proximity of city of Semnân, the inetersting thing is the difference of the dialects spoken in such a close distance with Sangsari dialekt being distinctive amongst many cities of the Semnân province (Kumish province in the times of the Sassanian Eran). Out of many etymologies suggested for the name Sangsar, it has been suggested that the core word 'Sang' which literally means 'stone' in Persian is a form of 'Sak' or 'Sag' which many times appeared in persian in the names referring to the Sakas. It is said that the old ceremony of Tirgân is still celebrated in Sangsar and they have a distinct calendarcalled 'Sangsari calendar'.
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Oct 8, 2008 8:39:12 GMT 3
And how do you get from Saka to Scythian?  |
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Post by ALTAR on Oct 8, 2008 13:31:33 GMT 3
Sang means Grave Stone in Ottoman language. It was mostly used in the Diwan Literature.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 8, 2008 14:53:01 GMT 3
And how do you get from Saka to Scythian? Scythians are the Saka living in the Pontic-Caspian (Qypchaq) Steppe  |
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Oct 8, 2008 15:45:48 GMT 3
What I mean is.. how do you get from the word Saka to the word Scythian? It's fine to look at the origins of the word Saka, but how does this get to the word Scythian?
They don't look very similar to me...
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Post by ALTAR on Oct 8, 2008 19:05:08 GMT 3
Scythia and Scythians were from Greek sources. Greek Historians called the northern steppes of Black Sea as Scythia and the people lievd there reffered Scytians.
Saka was from Persian sources. They nameed the nomads in Central Asia and Caucasus as Sakas.
I think This is the main reason of the difference in naming.
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Oct 9, 2008 0:25:31 GMT 3
Are the words Scythian and Saka related then? If not, where is Scythian supposed to have come from? Did the Greeks just make it up or does it actually mean something?
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Post by Bor Chono on Oct 9, 2008 6:54:58 GMT 3
You can say "You Sak!!!"=sounds like "You s-uck!!!" in Mongolia. Word "Sak" means "Cool" Mostly used for new items or about a guy. "Sak Zaluu"="Awesome Guy" ;D This word is not from Russian or Chinese.  |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 9, 2008 22:22:48 GMT 3
Look at the firs parts Saka and Scythian. They look similar. Yes indeed, Skythoi is the name used by the Greeks for the Saka living in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe. The Persians called them Saka Pradraya (Saka Living Across The Sea). However, the Greeks were also aware of the name Saka; they called the other Saka living in Central Asia as Sakoi. |
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Oct 10, 2008 2:32:10 GMT 3
So that's a hard 'c' sound in Scythian? I've always pronounced it with a silent c like Sithian.. heh. So much for that then
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 10, 2008 15:35:19 GMT 3
Yes, Scythii is the Roman form, the first one is Greek Skythoi Remember that in Classical Roman, the "c" letter is always pronounced as "k". So, for example, Caesar is not Seezer, but Kaysar (the German Kaiser and Arabic Qaysar versions are the closest to the original pronunciation). |
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