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Post by ryukyurhymer on Jun 22, 2008 6:22:30 GMT 3
through out history, migration is usually associated with various Turko-Mongol ethnic groups.
the Kyrgyz moved from Siberia to the Tien Shan mountains.
the Kalmyks migrated from Mongolia to the Caspian Sea,
the Salars migrated from Samarkand to Qinghai in China,
etc.
how about anything in recent times?
Given that many of the areas they now live in can be challenging as some of these areas either have harsh conditions i.e really cold winters, really dry weather that makes agriculture difficult, and something in common with most of them.. far distance from the sea and/or major markets.
From what I've read, I know some Tatars have moved eastward into Siberia and even as far as Sakhalin. Any other new migrations?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 22, 2008 13:47:25 GMT 3
The Turks migrating to Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Britain, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway and Sweden since the 1960s ;D
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 28, 2008 1:00:43 GMT 3
A Dzungar family migrating to Australia ;D
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Post by snafu on Jul 5, 2008 17:23:11 GMT 3
In old American newspapers (like from the 1800s) they used to refer to Chinese immigrants as Mongolians. The word Tartar was also used for criminals and thugs. Odd.
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Post by greathun on Jul 5, 2008 22:45:46 GMT 3
Dzungar! You must hate the guts of manchrus. A Dzungar family migrating to Australia ;D |
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 18, 2008 1:22:43 GMT 3
No, I just hate the guts of my own kind half the time.
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Post by ryukyurhymer on Jul 19, 2008 8:13:52 GMT 3
lol on the Turkish migration in Germany. It seems that theres a new trend of Uzbeks moving up north into Russia (but for work) and into Kazakhstan.
it seems that out of all the Turko, Mongol and Finnic peoples. only Turkey and Finland have good locations (very close to big markets, access to the ocean).
Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan are a little bit okay because they have access to a sea and oil, but they are still land locked and need Russia, China, and other countries for transit (meaning they have to keep relations at least good).
Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Mongolia have more landlocked issues, and some of them have kind of extreme climates too.
some of the other minority regions in Russia and China.. supposing they become independent, are even worse. An independent Tatarstan, Urdmurtia, etc, would be totally surrounded by Russia and completely reliant. etc
Through out history, Altaic and Uralic peoples in particular, are well known for migrating to different areas. So i was wondering if theres any sentiment in migrating to a more climatically and economically favorable area. like say, a bunch of tatars, or etc decide to migrate to say khabarovsk or sakhalin with its resources, smaller russian population, etc.
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Post by nanman on Jul 19, 2008 13:36:12 GMT 3
I recently learnt that Uzbekistan is technically what they called a Double landlock country. It means itself is surrounded by landlock countries.
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Post by nanman on Jul 19, 2008 13:42:46 GMT 3
like say, a bunch of tatars, or etc decide to migrate to say khabarovsk or sakhalin with its resources, smaller russian population, etc. Sakhalin is pretty tough conditions to move to. Khabarovsk is not exactly much better for a good six months. Its -40 up there and already it is a major Russian colony in Outer Manchuria. The reason for the rather thin in numbers population of CA and Siberia, Mongolia explains itself. |
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