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Post by Azadan Januspar on Jun 18, 2008 0:38:36 GMT 3
Under the Samanids ancient cities of transoxiana raised again and flourished from the economic point of view ,though they were semi subjects to the Arab caliphs and massively hired Turkish mercenaries and sometimes waged war in favor of the caliph against fellow Iranians who rebelled against the Arab occupation. I believe they fell due to their very wrong and conservative foreign policies and it is far more significant than what they are usually praised for.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 19, 2008 0:08:46 GMT 3
They are the ones who helped to open the road to Southwestern Asia for Turkic peoples.
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Jun 24, 2008 10:37:19 GMT 3
Yeah, But their foreign policies, I guess, would be a good topic. I'm not the one who venerates them. No way
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 24, 2008 13:31:38 GMT 3
They also helped Islam spread in Turkistan, especially on the banks of Sayhun (Sir Daryâ, Jaxartes) and in Yedisu (Semirechye). They are also partially responsible from the Islamization of Norhtern India - it was the Ghaznavids, Turkic ghulam governors of the Samanids, that did this.
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Post by ALTAR on Jun 26, 2008 18:12:50 GMT 3
Samanids are very popular today in Uzbekistan too because of Kerimov's history education policy.
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Jun 26, 2008 18:33:32 GMT 3
I've heard it's the same in Tajikstan, this due to Tajikstan's position amongst the surrounding altaic nations might seem natural, but the Samanid policy ensured that the that form of rich Iranian culture of "Vararud" (Transoxiana) would be lost as well as the importance of the oldest of Iranian cities in that region like Samarkand and Bukhara thus let the wounded and exhausted Iranian culture to be pushed west like always. But this time in the west there was advancing desert culture of the Arabs, in contact to which Iranian culture lost it's original steppe soul and became semi-desert culture in aspects more than ever.
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Jul 7, 2008 22:08:05 GMT 3
Heh I read in a book about Ferdowsi that the last Samanid ruler deposed by the invading Qarakhanids and roaming in the deserts was slain by the Arab tribesmen settled in Khorasan. Another proof for their naiveness in their foreign policies. The Abbasid Caliphs, for whom they granted their semi-submission lacking in goal, resulted in their doom. heh the happy ending of all of the arab caliph lovers.
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Post by mongolulus on Apr 5, 2009 15:42:02 GMT 3
does somebody have information about the samanid Tamim-ibn-bahr's journey to the capital Kharbalgas (also called ordu-baliq) in the 8th century. i've always been interested in what he wrote about the city. all i know is that he praised it in many ways.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 6, 2009 14:21:11 GMT 3
I have it's translation made by Vladimir Minorsky He tells that the entire region around Qara Balġasun is covered with towns and villages, and that the big golden tent built over the qaġan's palace can be viewed very far away.
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Post by mongolulus on Apr 6, 2009 16:29:18 GMT 3
great. if it's in english may qagan ihsan reflect it over in his mind and issue a yarlik (that is, provide some samples of the translation).
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 7, 2009 0:13:23 GMT 3
Yes, it's in English Alright, I would do that in a short time
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Post by ALTAR on Apr 7, 2009 22:58:36 GMT 3
Azadan,
Do you have any extra information about the family tree of Samanid Dynasty, especially Saman Khoda, founder of the dynasty?
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Apr 10, 2009 1:07:31 GMT 3
Sāmān Xūdāt was the Xūdāt of the town of Sāmān* near Baxl (islamic Balkh). Sāmān Xūdāt accordig to Tarikh i Gozide was descendant of Varhram Chubine, in this narrative he was son of Taam son of Hormozd son of Varhram Chubine. "Xūdāt"' is an ancient Iranian word meaning ruler, master,... also can be seen in ancient Iranian Kant Xūdāt meaning ruler of the city (in Iranian languages like modern Persian it is Kadxodā, worthy of saying that the word "Xodā" in Persian means "God" too.) it is comaparable to the title king and evidently much higher than title Dehkān; in eastern Iran it was still in use even up to the times of the Sassanids, in which we have autonomous Xūdāts still ruling lands and cities of eastern Iran like the famous Būxārā Xūdāt mentioned during the reign of Varhram Gūr (and also according to Habibi "Xūrāsān Xūdāt" was once title of kings of Heptalites). Sāmān Xūdāt is told to be a Zoroastrian priest, which is a bit uncertain because of the special position of the city of Baxl in those centuries. According to some narrations he arrived in city of Marv before Asad ibn Abdullah Al-Qushiri (Umayyad governor of Xurasan by the time of Caliph Hesham ibn Abdulmalek) some narrations told of his fleeing from unknown enemy to seek help from the Arab governor of Xurasan. It is said that after converting to Islam he named his son Asad after Asad ibn Abdullah in his honor. Some historians spoke of his taking part in the revolt of Abu Muslim Xurasani (Behzadan) against the Umayyids, yet his grandsons attended courts of the Abbasid Caliphs to pave the road for the emergence of Sāmānid dynasty in Transoxiana. In many sources Sāmānids are counted descendants of Varhram Chubine. There's an article regarding the origin of the Samanids by Shamsiddin S. Kamoliddin: www.transoxiana.org/0110/kamoliddin_bahram_chobin.htmlInteresting one but to my opinion is weak at some points of usual claims, counting Turkic tribes amongst the Arsacids. This one by the same researcher on their religion: www.transoxiana.org/11/kamoliddin-samanids.html *Sāmān (middle Persian:Sāmān, Armenian:Sahman), means: order, arrangement in making something, array and also frontier Sāmān was very ancient naming for towns in Iranian and there are several towns in ancient Iranian lands and in Iranian plateau with this name, some of them are still populated.
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Post by ALTAR on Apr 14, 2009 1:28:40 GMT 3
Thank you Azadan for your informing.
I knew that Sāmān Xūdāt was from the Sassanid Aristocracy but I didn't have the details. Thanks again.
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