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Post by Bor Chono on Feb 13, 2007 14:16:24 GMT 3
What is "Chinese perspectives"!? well good question! I`ll try to answer to this. Chinese think that their kingdom is located in the centre of world maybe universe. Everyone who surrounds them are Barbarians or Slaves. They think every nation comes from Chinese origin & must be united. "Chinese perspectives" comes from this old traditional thinking.
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Post by temur on Feb 13, 2007 15:07:08 GMT 3
Ok , pls point my "Chinese perspectives" out, I don,t think my words accord with your extreme definition of "Chinese perspective"! What is Chinese perspective? Here are my attitudes toward it. It includes Li(etiquette), jiao(education), ren(tolerate),fa(strict law, and regulation). Some peoples said Yuan Mongol Empire was overthrew by it,s cruelty and bloody suppression on Chinese peasants. But I think Yuan Empire fell as a result of soft law and regulation. Soft law was showed in it,s regulation on it's Mongol officals, and soft law on unstable elements in Chinese population. I find the a comment made by Zhu Yuan Zhang, the founder of Ming Empire, he said: "In fact , Mongol Emperor is a good Emperor, but Mongol law is so soft that we can find opportunity to make ourselves somebody". After Zhu took the regime, he not only put strict law on his officials but also on it's ppls. Peoples love him because officals didn't dare to exploit and bully them. My individual understanding on Chinese perspective is "general love, and accept everthing that means good for me and my race, even though such good idear come from our enemy". If we want to outmatch strong enemy, we must to learn their culture, thinking system, and society. What is "Chinese perspectives"!? well good question! I`ll try to answer to this. Chinese think that their kingdom is located in the centre of world maybe universe. Everyone who surrounds them are Barbarians or Slaves. They think every nation comes from Chinese origin & must be united. "Chinese perspectives" comes from this old traditional thinking.
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Post by Temüjin on Feb 13, 2007 21:46:47 GMT 3
What is Chinese perspective? Here are my attitudes toward it. It includes Li(etiquette), jiao(education), ren(tolerate),fa(strict law, and regulation). thats Ru Jia, Confucianist teaching, the worst ideology ever created! it is total obedience and group is stronger than Individual. Steppe people however are all entirely freeborn people who like freedom and individuality, Confucianism can't go along with that! it is like the worst of Communism and Fascism combined!
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Post by Bor Chono on Feb 14, 2007 7:02:26 GMT 3
Ok , pls point my "Chinese perspectives" out, Here they are : ;D 1.Mongol Khans did very bad on governing a strong govenment. 2.Giving Chinese right to bake their moon cake itself is a cruelty and discrimination. 3.After Mongol took the regime, massacre had never been stopped. 4.But let,s look at Mongol ruler, they did bad in running a government, not only in China, but also in Persia, Russia, as well in Central Asia. What they brought to those region are mass destruction on economy, and reduction on population. 5.I think it,s very hard to find a people who dare to say I,m a Mongol in India. 6.Yup, neally all Manchu ppls have been assimilated to Chinese society, and more and more Mongol are becaming happy to accept Chinese and their culture. 7.If they take(aggressive Chinese) the government, how our Mongol face them. Do you think, hot nationalism, bad equipment, and poor military deposit does work. 8.You are right, I see things from Chinese perspective. Chinese perspective made me reasonable when I meet difficult problems, or hold unbiased eye when I meet extreme things and ppls. And you have to tell me what,s wrong in my "Chinese perspectives". You have to give a reason. 9.According to universal law, everything has it's black and bright side, if we excessively praise one thing without looking at it,s black side, we are absolutism.About 1 & 2 & 4. -Ok Mongols are bad. Grandchild should not tell that his Grandfather was bad person -that`s all. About 3. -Mongols will not kill innocent ppl, only rebels are killed with their families. About 5. -Nowdays many Mongols visit India to see Dalai Lama!. One singer went to India to sing a song to Dalai Lama & he said "-Indians just wanted to touch me, I guess they believe that divine power transmited by touch, I didn`t know that I was such divine..." About 6. -I don`t find anything interesting in Chinese culture, shame on those who lost their beliefs & traditions. About 7. -Mongols do communicate with other countries, Russia & China can`t take us. About 8. -U said it! About 9. -What universal law? U mean chinese thinking about universe for Chinese! Mongols have different thinking. There is no BAD/Evil or Good, no Dark side or Light side. U can`t say Tengri is good side & Mother earth is bad side or Day is for good, night is for bad or Sheep is good wolf is bad. For some something might seem bad, but for some good -like animal sacrifices.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Feb 14, 2007 7:55:49 GMT 3
After Mongol took the regime, massacre had never been stopped. When Yuan was established, Chinese population is 300 millions, but at the middle of the Yuan dynasty, only 30 million left. According to broad survey, half of death tolls were resulted from Mongol suppression, and another half come from natural disaster. But let,s look at Mongol ruler, they did bad in running a government, not only in China, but also in Persia, Russia, as well in Central Asia. What they brought to those region are mass destruction on economy, and reduction on population. Bravo, Bor Chono! You have just exposed the words of this slick double-faced fellow. Why would he want to "rebuild" the Mongol empire if, according to him, it brought nothing but "mass destruction on economy, and reduction on population" to his beloved China and the rest of the world? At first, he sweared that he is devoted to Mongolia and that he wanted to "rebuild the Mongol empire", but now he bashes and slanders our ancestors! Now we all know that all you need to expose the fake nomad-lover is a little discussion about the mooncakes and Tsagaan sar. ...Because I want to lead them to rebuild Mongol Empire. I,m crazy, but History was just made by crazy and ambitious peoples. I,m a Mongol, I want to rebuild Mongol empire. Independence is not final goal of Mongol people, Why we can,t rebuild Great Mongol Empire. But before we reach this goal, we must clear two big barrier(China and Russia). I,m honest to Mongolia and my countrymen, if you are suspicious of it, I WILL USE MY BLOOD AND LIFE TO PROVE IT. I just say something according to the interests of Mongolia, and I want to devote my all property even my life in the glorious career of rebuilding Great Mongol.
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Post by temur on Feb 14, 2007 13:24:15 GMT 3
;D 1, When my Grandpa make something wrong, as a grandson,I have to point his faults out. And I will never make the same faults they have made before. 2.I never show any mercy on Chinese rebellion, and never said our ancestor killed innocent ppls. My mean is that bloody suppression must go with moderate politic technic. Sometimes, suppression doesn't work very well. 3. Pls read carefully about my message in which contained my words about India, I mean It,s very hard to find a ppl who dare to say that he is the descendant of Mongol. 4.You are shame of ppl who forget his tradition, me too. I have repeated many times, I just want to learn their advanced ideas and technics on makeing economy, but never subject to them. You must neglect one of my sentence, "If you want to defeat your enemy you must know DEEPLY ABOUT HIM. 5. on "Chinese perspective", I have my point of view. nobody can change it! Have I ever said "universal law is Chinese Universal law. Don,t link it with political point. You seem to be an artists and educated ppl, I like to talk some about philosophy with you. Ok , pls point my "Chinese perspectives" out, Here they are : ;D 1.Mongol Khans did very bad on governing a strong govenment. 2.Giving Chinese right to bake their moon cake itself is a cruelty and discrimination. 3.After Mongol took the regime, massacre had never been stopped. 4.But let,s look at Mongol ruler, they did bad in running a government, not only in China, but also in Persia, Russia, as well in Central Asia. What they brought to those region are mass destruction on economy, and reduction on population. 5.I think it,s very hard to find a people who dare to say I,m a Mongol in India. 6.Yup, neally all Manchu ppls have been assimilated to Chinese society, and more and more Mongol are becaming happy to accept Chinese and their culture. 7.If they take(aggressive Chinese) the government, how our Mongol face them. Do you think, hot nationalism, bad equipment, and poor military deposit does work. 8.You are right, I see things from Chinese perspective. Chinese perspective made me reasonable when I meet difficult problems, or hold unbiased eye when I meet extreme things and ppls. And you have to tell me what,s wrong in my "Chinese perspectives". You have to give a reason. 9.According to universal law, everything has it's black and bright side, if we excessively praise one thing without looking at it,s black side, we are absolutism.About 1 & 2 & 4. -Ok Mongols are bad. Grandchild should not tell that his Grandfather was bad person -that`s all. About 3. -Mongols will not kill innocent ppl, only rebels are killed with their families. About 5. -Nowdays many Mongols visit India to see Dalai Lama!. One singer went to India to sing a song to Dalai Lama & he said "-Indians just wanted to touch me, I guess they believe that divine power transmited by touch, I didn`t know that I was such divine..." About 6. -I don`t find anything interesting in Chinese culture, shame on those who lost their beliefs & traditions. About 7. -Mongols do communicate with other countries, Russia & China can`t take us. About 8. -U said it! About 9. -What universal law? U mean chinese thinking about universe for Chinese! Mongols have different thinking. There is no BAD/Evil or Good, no Dark side or Light side. U can`t say Tengri is good side & Mother earth is bad side or Day is for good, night is for bad or Sheep is good wolf is bad. For some something might seem bad, but for some good -like animal sacrifices.
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Post by temur on Feb 14, 2007 13:33:53 GMT 3
You are right, China is a great country, and Chinese ppl is the most diligent ppl on the earth. If I can rebuld Mongol Empire, I will use Chinese to produce money, grand commercial buildings, and factory for our Mongol ppls. But you are absolutly wrong on my identity. I,m not double-faced fellow. I,m 1000 or more faced fellow. Even I don't understand myself, how you understand me and define my characters. You sounds like a witch. predicting teller. My advice on you is that "Don't play witch craft again' After Mongol took the regime, massacre had never been stopped. When Yuan was established, Chinese population is 300 millions, but at the middle of the Yuan dynasty, only 30 million left. According to broad survey, half of death tolls were resulted from Mongol suppression, and another half come from natural disaster. But let,s look at Mongol ruler, they did bad in running a government, not only in China, but also in Persia, Russia, as well in Central Asia. What they brought to those region are mass destruction on economy, and reduction on population. Bravo, Bor Chono! You have just exposed the words of this slick double-faced fellow. Why would he want to "rebuild" the Mongol empire if, according to him, it brought nothing but "mass destruction on economy, and reduction on population" to his beloved China and the rest of the world? At first, he sweared that he is devoted to Mongolia and that he wanted to "rebuild the Mongol empire", but now he bashes and slanders our ancestors! Now we all know that all you need to expose the fake nomad-lover is a little discussion about the mooncakes and Tsagaan sar. I just say something according to the interests of Mongolia, and I want to devote my all property even my life in the glorious career of rebuilding Great Mongol.
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Post by Saran on Feb 14, 2007 15:29:28 GMT 3
Bor Chono, Bawirsaq and Atabeg, you are great! Good shoots! ;D Let's now ignore this Chinese communist
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Post by temur on Feb 14, 2007 15:46:33 GMT 3
Ignore me! I think before rebuild Mongol Empire, I and My Mongol Brothers of Iner-Mongol brothers must extinguish those Mongols who damage the harmony among Mongol ppls and try to become the puppet of Turkey and Russia and Japan. Saran, you are a wealthy gal of a wealthy family, pls don't defame your noble tribe by childish words. My advice on you is to make some practical on Mongols who live in poverty, and don't look down upon them. And be friendly on your countrymen who was brought up in abroad. You have no right to define my identity, your origin is no better than me! Bor Chono, Bawirsaq and Atabeg, you are great! Good shoots! ;D Let's now ignore this Chinese communist
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Post by temur on Feb 14, 2007 16:36:58 GMT 3
What a beautiful and well-educated comment! My question is that How old are you? I admire your broad knowledge and deep thinking. But pls don't defame normadic ppls and compare them with you again, they are great Warrior of freedom. You can't represent them. no individual can represent them! What is Chinese perspective? Here are my attitudes toward it. It includes Li(etiquette), jiao(education), ren(tolerate),fa(strict law, and regulation). thats Ru Jia, Confucianist teaching, the worst ideology ever created! it is total obedience and group is stronger than Individual. Steppe people however are all entirely freeborn people who like freedom and individuality, Confucianism can't go along with that! it is like the worst of Communism and Fascism combined!
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Post by erdene on Feb 14, 2007 16:46:53 GMT 3
When is Tsagaan Sar 20th Feb?
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Post by Temüjin on Feb 14, 2007 22:33:34 GMT 3
What a beautiful and well-educated comment! My question is that How old are you? I admire your broad knowledge and deep thinking. i am 23 and i'm somehwat familiar with Chinese culture, i used to study Chinese language once and i was in Shanghai for some time... I am of Celtic & Germanic descendance, in Western Europe it is well known that Celtic people like irish & Scots are very proud warriors and fought very often against foreign oppressors and German tribes overrun the Roman Empire and destroyed it forever. like Michael Collins for the Irish, William Wallace for the Scots and Arminius for the Germans, so can individuals represent whole groups, like Chinggis represents the Steppe.
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Post by Bor Chono on Feb 15, 2007 14:13:07 GMT 3
When is Tsagaan Sar 20th Feb? Strange question!? Well...everyone is saying that this year is bit different. This year is year of "Buhniig Nomhogtgogch Gal Gahai" it can be understood as "Conqueror Fire Pig". Well...it seems like everything must be equal/one...etc. So this year Mongols celebrating new year in a same day as Chinese. "Bituun" the day before 1st day of new year is in 17th Feb. The first day of new year is in 18th Feb.
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Post by temur on Feb 15, 2007 15:02:28 GMT 3
I ,m very happy that we can talk something friendly. In fact, I like Chinese culture but hate Chinese Empire and Rome Empire. Maybe you always mistake me as a nasty "Chinese spy". Probably, my words on Chinese ppls and culture resent you, but I just speak out my point of view, I never want to mess your feeling. I really don't like that so-called civilized Rome Empire and it's emperors, they build savage arena for their freak entertainment. The dignity of Warrior and innocent life were defamed and destroyed. Chinese Empire did no better than Rome, they saw us as barbarians and force us to pay tribute every year, if we reject, they would sent a army to destroy our tribe, and kill our ppls ,and take away our women as sex slave in their so-called civilized army. But Attila-Germanic ally and Temujin's army humiliated those two bastard Empires. What a beautiful and well-educated comment! My question is that How old are you? I admire your broad knowledge and deep thinking. i am 23 and i'm somehwat familiar with Chinese culture, i used to study Chinese language once and i was in Shanghai for some time... I am of Celtic & Germanic descendance, in Western Europe it is well known that Celtic people like irish & Scots are very proud warriors and fought very often against foreign oppressors and German tribes overrun the Roman Empire and destroyed it forever. like Michael Collins for the Irish, William Wallace for the Scots and Arminius for the Germans, so can individuals represent whole groups, like Chinggis represents the Steppe.
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Post by Bor Chono on Feb 15, 2007 15:34:07 GMT 3
[glow=red,4,300]"Bituun" the day before new year.[/glow] "Bituun" mean "filled".-In this day every hole must be covered & every broken thing must be fixed. And U must eat as much as U can. Mongols say "Biduun boltoloo Bituureerei" means "Eat untill U get fat." ;D
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