Tsagaan sar (Mongol new year)

[Bor Chono]

Tsagaan sar (Mongol new year) means "white moon" or "white month" is comming. ;D
And I have a thing to tell!
-If here any true Mongol is reading! During Tsagaan sar do not use Yeben!!!

(The thing on top is not Yeben! it`s sun shaped Aaruul! U know Yeben is more brown.)
Respected Mongol families don`t use Yeben!. (Yeben comes from China)

[BAWIR$AQ]

borchono said:

Respected Mongol families don`t use Yeben!. (Yeben comes from China)

So on Tsagaan sar respected Mongols do not use any China-originated products?

[Saran]

bawirsaq said:

borchono said:

Respected Mongol families don`t use Yeben!. (Yeben comes from China)

So on Tsagaan sar respected Mongols do not use any China-originated products?

The Chinese hid their notes about stopping Mongol rules in Yeven during the Mongol Yuan dynasty. And then the dynasty fell soon

[BAWIR$AQ]

Oops, sorry... Actually I've heard about that story before.

Here're some links:

Mooncake



Ming revolution

Mooncakes were used as a medium by the Ming revolutionaries in their espionage effort to secretly distribute letters in order to overthrow the Mongolian rulers of China in the Yuan dynasty. The idea is said to be conceived by Zhu Yuanzhang (ÖìÔªè°) and his advisor Liu Bowen („¢²®œØ), who circulated a rumor that a deadly plague was spreading and the only way to prevent it was to eat the special mooncakes. This prompted the quick distribution of the mooncakes, which were used to hide a secret message coordinating the Han Chinese revolt on 15th day of the eighth lunar month.

Another method of hiding the message was printed in the surface of mooncakes as a simple puzzle or mosaic. In order to read the encrypted message, each of the 4 mooncakes packaged together must be cut into 4 parts each. The 16 pieces of mooncake, must then be pieced together in such a fashion that the secret messages can be read. The pieces of mooncake are then eaten to destroy the message.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooncake


Overthrow of Mongol rule



According to a widespread folk tale (not necessarily supported by historical records), the Mid-Autumn Festival commemorates an uprising in China against the Mongol rulers of the Yuan Dynasty (1280¨C1368) in the 14th century. As group gatherings were banned, it was impossible to make plans for a rebellion. Noting that the Mongols did not eat mooncakes, Liu Bowen („¢²®œØ) of Zhejiang Province, advisor to the Chinese rebel leader Zhu Yuanzhang, came up with the idea of timing the rebellion to coincide with the Mid-Autumn Festival. He sought permission to distribute thousands of moon cakes to the Chinese residents in the city to bless the longevity of the Mongol emperor. Inside each cake, however, was inserted a piece of paper with the message: "Kill the Tatars on the 15th day of the Eighth Moon" (°ËÔÂÊ®Î嚢í^×Ó).[citation needed] On the night of the Moon Festival, the rebels successfully attacked and overthrew the government. What followed was the establishment of the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), under Zhu. Henceforth, the Mid-Autumn Festival was celebrated with moon cakes on a national level.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Autumn_Festival


The Legend of Eating Mooncakes



Mooncakes symbolize the gathering of friends and family and are an indispensable part of the offerings made to the Earth God, Tu Ti Kung. According to popular belief, the custom of eating mooncakes began in the late Yuan dynasty. As the story goes, the Han people of that time resented the Mongol rule of the Yuan Dynasty and revolutionaries, led by Chu Yuan-chang, plotted to usurp the throne. Chu needed to find a way of uniting the people to revolt on the same day without letting the Mongol rulers learn of the plan. Chu's close advisor, Liu Po-wen, finally came up with a brilliant idea. A rumor was spread that a plague was ravaging the land and that only by eating a special mooncake distributed by the revolutionaries could the disaster be prevented. The mooncakes were then distributed only to the Han people, who found, upon cutting the cakes open, the message "Revolt on the fifteenth of the eighth moon." Thus informed, the people rose together on the designated day to overthrow the Yuan, and since that time mooncakes have become an integral part of the Mid-Autumn Festival.

www.gio.gov.tw/info/festival_c/moon_e/html/eat.htm

[BAWIR$AQ]

Mongolian New Year is celebrated at around the same time as the Chinese New Year, isn't it?

[Bor Chono]

bawirsaq said:

Mongolian New Year is celebrated at around the same time as the Chinese New Year, isn't it?

Almost!, Chinese starts bit early.

[temur]

The whole artile is correct except for one point. The uprising didn't overthrow the whole Yuan Empire at once, they just overthrew the local Mongol rulers in Anhui province.
After this uprising, Yuan Empire was divided into 3 part, Yuan Mongol Empire, Zhu Yuan Zhang, and Chen You Liang(³ÂÓÑÁ£©¡£
They fought against each others for 10 years, until Yuan Empire was totally overthrew.

bawirsaq said:

Oops, sorry... Actually I've heard about that story before.

Here're some links:

Mooncake



Ming revolution

Mooncakes were used as a medium by the Ming revolutionaries in their espionage effort to secretly distribute letters in order to overthrow the Mongolian rulers of China in the Yuan dynasty. The idea is said to be conceived by Zhu Yuanzhang (ÖìÔªè°) and his advisor Liu Bowen („¢²®œØ), who circulated a rumor that a deadly plague was spreading and the only way to prevent it was to eat the special mooncakes. This prompted the quick distribution of the mooncakes, which were used to hide a secret message coordinating the Han Chinese revolt on 15th day of the eighth lunar month.

Another method of hiding the message was printed in the surface of mooncakes as a simple puzzle or mosaic. In order to read the encrypted message, each of the 4 mooncakes packaged together must be cut into 4 parts each. The 16 pieces of mooncake, must then be pieced together in such a fashion that the secret messages can be read. The pieces of mooncake are then eaten to destroy the message.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooncake


Overthrow of Mongol rule



According to a widespread folk tale (not necessarily supported by historical records), the Mid-Autumn Festival commemorates an uprising in China against the Mongol rulers of the Yuan Dynasty (1280¨C1368) in the 14th century. As group gatherings were banned, it was impossible to make plans for a rebellion. Noting that the Mongols did not eat mooncakes, Liu Bowen („¢²®œØ) of Zhejiang Province, advisor to the Chinese rebel leader Zhu Yuanzhang, came up with the idea of timing the rebellion to coincide with the Mid-Autumn Festival. He sought permission to distribute thousands of moon cakes to the Chinese residents in the city to bless the longevity of the Mongol emperor. Inside each cake, however, was inserted a piece of paper with the message: "Kill the Tatars on the 15th day of the Eighth Moon" (°ËÔÂÊ®Î嚢í^×Ó).[citation needed] On the night of the Moon Festival, the rebels successfully attacked and overthrew the government. What followed was the establishment of the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), under Zhu. Henceforth, the Mid-Autumn Festival was celebrated with moon cakes on a national level.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Autumn_Festival


The Legend of Eating Mooncakes



Mooncakes symbolize the gathering of friends and family and are an indispensable part of the offerings made to the Earth God, Tu Ti Kung. According to popular belief, the custom of eating mooncakes began in the late Yuan dynasty. As the story goes, the Han people of that time resented the Mongol rule of the Yuan Dynasty and revolutionaries, led by Chu Yuan-chang, plotted to usurp the throne. Chu needed to find a way of uniting the people to revolt on the same day without letting the Mongol rulers learn of the plan. Chu's close advisor, Liu Po-wen, finally came up with a brilliant idea. A rumor was spread that a plague was ravaging the land and that only by eating a special mooncake distributed by the revolutionaries could the disaster be prevented. The mooncakes were then distributed only to the Han people, who found, upon cutting the cakes open, the message "Revolt on the fifteenth of the eighth moon." Thus informed, the people rose together on the designated day to overthrow the Yuan, and since that time mooncakes have become an integral part of the Mid-Autumn Festival.

www.gio.gov.tw/info/festival_c/moon_e/html/eat.htm

[BAWIR$AQ]

temur said:

The whole artile is correct except for one point. The uprising didn't overthrow the whole Yuan Empire at once

Thanks for the info.

Do you eat mooncakes during the Mid-Autumn Festival?

[temur]

In fact, I don't eat it at all, because that day is the humiliation of Mongols. But such sensation of humiliation is diminished day by day, more and more Mongols begin to eat it. I,m a preserved guy, so I don't eat or taste it forever.
Yuan Mongol was probably the strongest Empire at that time, nevertheless, Mongol Khans did very bad on governing a strong govenment. It was much more an invincible military machine than a functioning govenment.

bawirsaq said:

temur said:

The whole artile is correct except for one point. The uprising didn't overthrow the whole Yuan Empire at once

Thanks for the info.

Do you eat mooncakes during the Mid-Autumn Festival?

[Bor Chono]

I heard that there are a lot of "humiliation of Mongols" traditions in China!?.

But I heard that Mongol rulers gave right to bake large number of moon cakes to stop mass hunger. Surely they did not wanted chinese to be dead. Mongol rulers were cruel(against crime & rebels), but not bad rulers(=were humans!).

[Bor Chono]

Tsagaan sar was started by Chinggis Khaan. The Great khaan descided to have a festival for all Mongols(I wonder! at that time Kazaks were part of Mongol ulus!). A time to meet their relatives, wish each other happy life. Mongols say :
"Uul us-ni oir-ni deer
Urag sadangiin hol-ni deer"
means
"it is better to have relatives far
but water & mountain near."

Tsagaan sar is like New year+Thanks Giving day. Young ppl visit their elders, then elders visit young ppl to see how their children doing. This is the festival which each/every Mongol must celebrate.

[temur]

Giving Chinese right to bake their moon cake itself is a cruelty and discrimination. In Yuan Empire, Mongol ruler underlined 4 classes, First class:Mongol; second, colored eye(Persian, Turk and Europeans) ;third class:Northern Chinese;fourth class:Southern Chinese.
After Mongol took the regime, massacre had never been stopped. When Yuan was established, Chinese population is 300 millions, but at the middle of the Yuan dynasty, only 30 million left. According to broad survey, half of death tolls were resulted from Mongol suppression, and another half come from natural disaster.
Our Mongol must learn something of ruling a country well from manchu Empire.when Manchu EIGHT Banner took the regime, they faced the same problems that Mongol Emperor had faced 300 years ago. At first, they force all Chinese to cut their hair and made pigtail of Manchu style. Manchu rulers gave a death order( if you cut your hair, your head would be saved, and if you don't cut your hair, your head would be cut off). Chinese certainly can't accept this decree, but they finally accepted it after millions were butchered. To this point, I have to say Manchu Rulers did very well, because they successfully force Chinese to accept Manchurian as the descent ruler of Chinese Empire, secondly they converted Chinese wearing style to Manchurian style, Manchu Ruler devoted themselves to learn Chinese language, calligraphy, as well as their custom which are very important to rule Chinese. After decades bloody massacre and suppression, Manchu ruler bagan to exert Mercy rule to appease the anger of Chinese peoples.
But let,s look at Mongol ruler, they did bad in running a government, not only in China, but also in Persia, Russia, as well in Central Asia. What they brought to those region are mass destruction on economy, and reduction on population.
As far as I,m concerned, if we want to rebuild strong Mongol, we must learn something from Ottman Turkish Empire, and Manchu Empire, esp Ottman Empire, this Empire last more than 600 years. But Mongol Empire last 93 years in China.

borchono said:

I heard that there are a lot of "humiliation of Mongols" traditions in China!?.

But I heard that Mongol rulers gave right to bake large number of moon cakes to stop mass hunger. Surely they did not wanted chinese to be dead. Mongol rulers were cruel(against crime & rebels), but not bad rulers(=were humans!).

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

The Mongols were good rulers, they re-built many cities and trade prospered greatly. They also had religious freedom.

[Temüjin]

Manchu were actually bad rulers, they eventually got completely assimilated by Chinese, today there are only few true Manchu left, but many Mongols (but still decreasing because of Chinese). Moghuls were also very sucessfull until Aurangzeb descided on his extremist Muslim policy and his Hindu subjects rebelled and let to general disintegration and decline.

[Atabeg]

Who do you think built Bejin