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Post by balamir on Nov 29, 2006 13:35:35 GMT 3
Ýs Grey Wolf symbol of all Turks?I don't mean a tribe,ý mean Turk race.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 30, 2006 12:04:00 GMT 3
No, it is not. It was considered sacred by some peoples, but not by all. The entire Turkic peoples group does not have a symbol.
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Post by balamir on Nov 30, 2006 12:20:27 GMT 3
Very bad...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2006 12:42:56 GMT 3
I thought it was the symbol for all Turks. It may not be official but all Turks do consider this our symbol.
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Post by suren911 on Dec 4, 2006 3:30:57 GMT 3
I believe it's the Grey Wolf. It constitutes as something that the ancestors of all Turk tribes had used, I'd say.
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Post by erdene on Dec 5, 2006 13:07:30 GMT 3
What does it represent??? that the Turks are the descendents of the Wolf???
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Post by aca on Dec 5, 2006 14:30:29 GMT 3
Yes. There is a legend (in Zhou Shu and Sui Shu for example - VI-VII c.) which describes the origin of the Turks. According to that legend, Turks are descendants of a female wolf.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 5, 2006 20:42:46 GMT 3
The Gaoche (Kao-ch'e; High Carts) people also had an origin myth regarding a male wolf ancestor. The Blue Turks (Tujue/T'u-chüeh) had several origin myths recorded in the Chinese sources; one of them is the one noted by Aca Yabghu.
But that's all. Not all Turkic peoples had the wolf-ancestor myths. The Mongol borrowed the Blue Turk wolf-ancestor myth and changed it slightly. The Mongol version than started to be used by the Turks again in the 14th-15th centuries, as it was written down by Äbû'l-Ghâzî Bakhadur Khan.
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Post by Bor Chono on Dec 30, 2006 12:42:41 GMT 3
I thought it was MOON? 
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 4, 2007 4:36:43 GMT 3
The crescent-and-star was also a pre-Islamic Turkic symbol. Indeed, it was the Seljuk (Säljûqid) Turks who introduced the useage of this symbol into the Islamic World in the 1060s.
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Post by mesinik on Oct 23, 2007 21:44:45 GMT 3
You probably never reach it with one or another animal. They can't be recognised by all different kinds of steppe people. You see, in old times neighbours used different animals as symbols (there are many good reasons for this). And wolves live elsewhere too, not just in steppes...
Even AI or AIR, moon or crescent, cant probably help ... these are very-very old symbols, used by different cultures and nations in many parts of the world. You can't "take away" it from others. So, it can't be used like a sign of identity.
Do you need something special for the different kinds of steppe people? Maybe the "old alphabet" of Göktürk origin could help in some contexts? The word "turk" began to spread widely from this old empire. So did these "runes".
Of course, you can't use this writing system in everyday business. But to write your good wishes on a postcard or at the wall ... or just to have some fun with frends ... this might work. These are special, these tell about proud and glorious history, these are not aggressive. These could strengthen the identity, too. Right?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 23, 2007 22:19:12 GMT 3
Do you need something special for the different kinds of steppe people? Maybe the "old alphabet" of Göktürk origin could help in some contexts? The word "turk" began to spread widely from this old empire. So did these "runes". Of course, you can't use this writing system in everyday business. But to write your good wishes on a postcard or at the wall ... or just to have some fun with frends ... this might work. These are special, these tell about proud and glorious history, these are not aggressive. These could strengthen the identity, too. Right? We actually do that |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 11:51:18 GMT 3
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Feb 12, 2008 1:52:00 GMT 3
The crescent-and-star was also a pre-Islamic Turkic symbol. Indeed, it was the Seljuk (Säljûqid) Turks who introduced the useage of this symbol into the Islamic World in the 1060s. Crescent and Star has older history than what you said, before Seljuk invasion of Iran and even before Arabic Invasion, at least you may observe a good example of that on the coin related to the last Sassanid King Yazdgerd III which attest it was used widely in the Sassanid Era. After the establishment of Arab empire it had become an Islamic identical like many other Late-Sassanid artistic symbols like the Sassanid Arcs. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 12, 2008 3:52:02 GMT 3
I said, into the Islamic world  Of course that symbol was used in Iran and Central Asia before Islam was born. As you said, it can be founded on Sassanid coins. There are also coins of the Western Blue Turks found in Western Turkistan dating to the second half of the 6th century which have that symbol (check the Blue Turks board). |
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Of course that symbol was used in Iran and Central Asia before Islam was born. As you said, it can be founded on Sassanid coins. There are also coins of the Western Blue Turks found in Western Turkistan dating to the second half of the 6th century which have that symbol (check the Blue Turks board).