are mongols evil?

[Subu'atai]

hehe, I guess from whomever this fear might be, it's certainly not fear of mongols ...those glorious days of yours which is vice versa for all the people of the world except mongols IS long history!

Heh possible, like the occurence at junior high - fear just came naturally to others after that incident Glorious days of the Altaics, not just ours.

No one ever said Mongols are primitive barbarians but the stupid!You may check osprey books for example about Mongols to get some clue that mongolman wasn't undeveloped in terms of warfare technology and strategy, moreover the mongolman always had a good access to the chinaman advanced weaponry and warmongering strategies before and after their conquest of china. Altaics north of china even before arrival of mongols were good metal workers and most of the time were regarded as people who could raise largest armies of hosremen in the history, so dont try to say we were outnumbered! that's a joke. )

There are mixed opinions, personally I believe our warfare strategy came simply from centuries of warfare. Technology however, I'm not so sure - I do know that we were good at metal-working, but I'm talking about more advanced weapons, notably siege weaponry - and there's always stuff saying one thing and another.

Even if we had the technology, we never build walled cities against each other to warrant the use of them at that time Also, it's a known fact that we fielded outnumbered armies, the strength of cavalry easily outweighs the strength of numbers at those times.

We all know that dear Mongol...occurances like mongol invasions will never have chance to happen again! sorry dude )

Hmmm interesting comment, just curious are you Iranian? Judging by your location.

Nice joke....but why did actually did the mongolman want the americanman and chinaman back?! just not to drink alone?! weird heh

Haha yeap! Testament to modern Mongolian simple, peaceful and social nature

[Azadan Januspar]

Heh possible, like the occurence at junior high - fear just came naturally to others after that incident Glorious days of the Altaics, not just ours.

Is that junior high in Mongolia or somewhere else? heh fear of what?! ...yeah those were the days,which to your misfortune never lasted as expected. alas!

There are mixed opinions, personally I believe our warfare strategy came simply from centuries of warfare. Technology however, I'm not so sure - I do know that we were good at metal-working, but I'm talking about more advanced weapons, notably siege weaponry - and there's always stuff saying one thing and another.

It was no big problem for mongols to adopt siege weaponry via chinese engineers. but to make sure about their warfare try to review the mongol warfare. I think you are a mongol so you must be the one who is dead sure about it.not?

Even if we had the technology, we never build walled cities against each other to warrant the use of them at that time Also, it's a known fact that we fielded outnumbered armies, the strength of cavalry easily outweighs the strength of numbers at those times.

Walled cities?!...nomads in general were often unaccustomed to build cities or furthermore, walled cities; no matter who or where they were, so was that the reason the mongols didn't build walled cities. But mongols were quite good at destruction of walled cities and killing non-combatant people.

Hmmm interesting comment, just curious are you Iranian? Judging by your location.

Oh really did you find that interesting...thanks and yes I am an iranian? why?

Haha yeap! Testament to modern Mongolian simple, peaceful and social nature

See! now you gonna believe that Mongols are peaceful people. But about judging mongol glorious days try to open a thread in a far more crowded multicultural place and check the responses. good luck

[Subu'atai]

Is that junior high in Mongolia or somewhere else? heh fear of what?! ...yeah those were the days,which to your misfortune never lasted as expected. alas!

I'm in Australia Check my location.

It was no big problem for mongols to adopt siege weaponry via chinese engineers. but to make sure about their warfare try to review the mongol warfare. I think you are a mongol so you must be the one who is dead sure about it.not?

Yes exactly. We adopted siege weaponry, but didn't have it until we needed it.

Walled cities?!...nomads in general were often unaccustomed to build cities or furthermore, walled cities; no matter who or where they were, so was that the reason the mongols didn't build walled cities. But mongols were quite good at destruction of walled cities and killing non-combatant people.

Exactly, that's why we never needed them, read my post again.

Oh really did you find that interesting...thanks and yes I am an iranian? why?

Haha! Well I found it's actually common for Iranians to feel the way you do about the Mongols. Especially since Samarkand, very long time ago.

See! now you gonna believe that Mongols are peaceful people. But about judging mongol glorious days try to open a thread in a far more crowded multicultural place and check the responses. good luck

Firstly, I didn't make this thread, secondly people here are multicultural - not just Iranian.

[Bor Chono]

May 25, 2008 18:04:48 GMT 3 Azadan Januspar said:

hey Evil....Now you concluded actually that mongols are evil (It wasnt me or the Turks here who said that )

It depends who lead the race. Germans under Adolf Hitler were quite evil.

[Azadan Januspar]

I'm in Australia Check my location.

So I guessed right, So let put the discrimination you were talking about specially toward mongols this way; nonsense! the discrimination in such countries or western countries is toward all the foreign ethnicities especially asian or middle eastern or black not only a quite a minority like mongols. About that students paying you guys, (to make sure you keep distance form them and so you dont like,you know, break their skulls and stuff, and obviously because they were deadly scared and afraid of you), you guys surely could have formed a mighty gang at that school,....yeah I should say very menacing childhood memoires tho..hehe

Yes exactly. We adopted siege weaponry, but didn't have it until we needed it.

yeah without that siege weapons your glorious bloody success would had been not achieved. But just to let you know Mongols are counted into invading armies with good employment of siege weapons ever.

Exactly, that's why we never needed them, read my post again.

Wrong!! they didnt need em cause they were nomad, not that they really, you know, liked each other or were brothers resented spilling the blood of the brother, buddy.

Haha! Well I found it's actually common for Iranians to feel the way you do about the Mongols. Especially since Samarkand, very long time ago.

hahaha! yeah that's because we know you guys history much better than the others do and what is it you are proud of, and since mongols did destruction to us, we strongly detest those deeds and they bought our hatred. only some guys from over seas might have no clue of what you're trying to say in this and find that interesting cause they know your venerated hero through video games and stuff,a cool person. As for Samarkand and Bukhara I should say those cities though founded by Iranians and were main Iranian cities, at those times it was long captured by the invasive waves of turks especially Turkmens or preciser to say at that time memluks inhabited in Khwarezm, used to calling themselves Khwarezmshahians (funny reminds me of Kharakhanid turks claiming to be Afrasiabi kharkhanids hehe) so it was them who loved to fight the Mongols at those corrupted eras of Iran, but only at the cost of destruction of the treasure of thousands years effort of building wonderful cities of Transoxiana and killing civilians.

Firstly, I didn't make this thread, secondly people here are multicultural - not just Iranian.

ok, honestly not very multicultural, I have seen so far the vast majority of Turkics and Mongols . iranian?! no i didnt mean iranians are plenty here they are very few.

It depends who lead the race. Germans under Adolf Hitler were quite evil.

Why are you talking about the race Bor Chono, huh?! But at least nowadays, some Germans are man enough to confess that deeds of that guy was all crime to humanity and even using or calling his name is strongly abusive and highly offensive for most Germans. you see!!

[Subu'atai]

So I guessed right, So let put the discrimination you were talking about specially toward mongols this way; nonsense! the discrimination in such countries or western countries is toward all the foreign ethnicities especially asian or middle eastern or black not only a quite a minority like mongols. About that students paying you guys, (to make sure you keep distance form them and so you dont like,you know, break their skulls and stuff, and obviously because they were deadly scared and afraid of you), you guys surely could have formed a mighty gang at that school,....yeah I should say very menacing childhood memoires tho..hehe

Awww, what now Persian, couldn't make friends in a western country? Been bullied? Had a traumatic experience did you? lol

How very sad

yeah without that siege weapons your glorious bloody success would had been not achieved. But just to let you know Mongols are counted into invading armies with good employment of siege weapons ever.

Of course, we used whatever weapons we could muster very well to bring down any wall we found

Wrong!! they didnt need em cause they were nomad, not that they really, you know, liked each other or were brothers resented spilling the blood of the brother, buddy.

Hows your english? You seem to be disagreeing with me - only to repeat what I said! haha

hahaha! yeah that's because we know you guys history much better than the others do and what is it you are proud of, and since mongols did destruction to us, we strongly detest those deeds and they bought our hatred. only some guys from over seas might have no clue of what you're trying to say in this and find that interesting cause they know your venerated hero through video games and stuff,a cool person. As for Samarkand and Bukhara I should say those cities though founded by Iranians and were main Iranian cities, at those times it was long captured by the invasive waves of turks especially Turkmens or preciser to say at that time memluks inhabited in Khwarezm, used to calling themselves Khwarezmshahians (funny reminds me of Kharakhanid turks claiming to be Afrasiabi kharkhanids hehe) so it was them who loved to fight the Mongols at those corrupted eras of Iran, but only at the cost of destruction of the treasure of thousands years effort of building wonderful cities of Transoxiana and killing civilians.

Interesting how one can be so BITTER over something that happened 800 years ago - rather pathetic don't you think?

ok, honestly not very multicultural, I have seen so far the vast majority of Turkics and Mongols . iranian?! no i didnt mean iranians are plenty here they are very few.

Rightly so!

Why are you talking about the race Bor Chono, huh?! But at least nowadays, some Germans are man enough to confess that deeds of that guy was all crime to humanity and even using or calling his name is strongly abusive and highly offensive for most Germans. you see!!

If your very being is soiled on bitterness, then there's nothing we can do - that's your problem

[Temüjin]

guys, cool down, no reason to get personal.


but some comments. were the Mongols evil? considder this: the Mongols were the first to have a capital with Mosques, Churches and Buddhist temples. it was the first international capital and Mongols tolerated all religions. you can't say that about their enemies. also, at least under the reign of Genghis khan, the Mongols never attacked an enemy without being provoked first. Mongols at the tiem of Genghis Khan had nothign at all, their enemies had every riches youc an imagine, Mongols wanted some share of it so they took it. and Samrakand only became the beautiful large city it is today udner the reign of Temür (Tamerlane) which he expaned and made his capital. (similar to Ghazni and Mahmud of Ghazni as well as Delhi under the first slave dynasty). in summary, Mongols only killed and destroyed who challenged them. other than that, they were much nicer than most of the enemies they defeated.

[Azadan Januspar]

Awww, what now Persian, couldn't make friends in a western country? Been bullied? Had a traumatic experience did you? lol

How very sad

hey Mongol watch your words...being bullied?! God! Now I am so afraid of guys like you. you make me laugh. I just think you have good imagination Ataman, don'tyou?!. And you may scare off all the mates in your school at once, No?..hehe lol

But to inform you; I never had those traumatic expriences like being bullied of your kind in a foreign country cause it is far more to my regret and is sad for you that I shall let you know, that I've never been abroad my entire life..sorry dude I let you down!

Of course, we used whatever weapons we could muster very well to bring down any wall we found

Now I dont know what do try to say finally? mongols were undeveloped, mongols mastered every weapon they get?!. May God help you concentrate.(oh I see you could bring down walls,but can you do it now?: ))) )

Hows your english? You seem to be disagreeing with me - only to repeat what I said! haha

This is disappointing to say, but I think you got to get yourself more time to read,when you are mad at something heh. I surely didnt repeat what you said, cause it's simply untrue. My english?!, how old are you by the way cause I m just getting curious of your words.

Interesting how one can be so BITTER over something that happened 800 years ago - rather pathetic don't you think?

Bitter, Pathetic?! now watch your words buddy!(though for some reason your urself may feel that way) I see, you are the one obsessed with that 800 past?...cause there's not much glory in that for history of mankind except for guys like you..heh that could be the reason. How is your reading buddy?!

I already declared that I have no problem with todays mongol people and do not consider them evil , And I see no reason to respond to your hasty words! cause readers here have enough conscience to judge your posts. sad!

I said:

Why are you talking about the race Bor Chono, huh?! But at least nowadays, some Germans are man enough to confess that deeds of that guy was all crime to humanity and even using or calling his name is strongly abusive and highly offensive for most Germans. you see!!

You answered:

If your very being is soiled on bitterness, then there's nothing we can do - that's your problem

Now I don't see any relation between what you answered and my post. quite irrelevant response. (good english reading of yours!)

Hey buddy why have you started insulting me don't you know it's forbidden here, Are angry cause you cant answer properly or what?..very sad dude!

but some comments. were the Mongols evil....

of course they are not but don't try to justify the mongol invasions were humane like you say please! only those who love Genghis khan for various reasons agree with you in the whole planet.

....the Mongols never attacked an enemy without being provoked first...

This is true for some campaigns for instance against Khwarezmids who actually were Turks. to let you know they were not iranians, (were them iranians they'd had know how to deal with it) the Iranian
soveregnity over it's lands were over for about 6 centuries by Arabs. But Iranian before that most of the times were successful to back off the invasions of the altaic nomads on their eastern borders and keeping such a numerous armies like the Chionites, Huns and Gokturks at bay. Please don't tell me that Iranians killed Ghengis khan's envoys.

Mongols only killed and destroyed who challenged them. other than that, they were much nicer than most of the enemies they defeated.

Heh not so true...in most of the cases they claimed direct submission or face devastation,(which mankind mostly usually oppose) if not accepted they would launch a full attack. Am I supposed to be convinced with that?!

[Subu'atai]

hey Mongol watch your words...being bullied?! God! Now I am so afraid of guys like you. you make me laugh. I just think you have good imagination Ataman, don'tyou?!. And you may scare off all the mates in your school at once, No?..hehe lol

But to inform you; I never had those traumatic expriences like being bullied of your kind in a foreign country cause it is far more to my regret and is sad for you that I shall let you know, that I've never been abroad my entire life..sorry dude I let you down!

Watch my words? Haha hit you too close to home did I?

I pity that your trauma has led to you believing everyone else share your pathetic issues, what's with the negative posture about western countries?

Now I dont know what do try to say finally? mongols were undeveloped, mongols mastered every weapon they get?!. May God help you concentrate.(oh I see you could bring down walls,but can you do it now?: ))) )

Do we need or want to?

This is disappointing to say, but I think you got to get yourself more time to read,when you are mad at something heh. I surely didnt repeat what you said, cause it's simply untrue. My english?!, how old are you by the way cause I m just getting curious of your words.

Read that quote again, I said we never needed walls as nomads, you said "Wrong, you never needed walls as nomads" LOL!

Bitter, Pathetic?! now watch your words buddy!(though for some reason your urself may feel that way) I see, you are the one obsessed with that 800 past?...cause there's not much glory in that for history of mankind except for guys like you..heh that could be the reason. How is your reading buddy?!

Hit close to home again? You're acting stereotypical of a Persian, so I called you out

We have much more to be proud of then just 800 yrs past, and unlike you, we don't hold grudges 800 yrs past lol!

I already declared that I have no problem with todays mongol people and do not consider them evil , And I see no reason to respond to your hasty words! cause readers here have enough conscience to judge your posts. sad!

Have I deliberately insulted your people with no cause? It's called Karma my friend

Now I don't see any relation between what you answered and my post. quite irrelevant response. (good english reading of yours!)

It's very relevant, but I guess you failed to see it

Hey buddy why have you started insulting me don't you know it's forbidden here, Are angry cause you cant answer properly or what?..very sad dude!

Forbidden? Hiding behind laws/walls again are we?

of course they are not but don't try to justify the mongol invasions were humane like you say please! only those who love Genghis khan for various reasons agree with you in the whole planet.

Read Temujin's post, if you are going to deny history simply because you are one of the conquered - finding excuses to deny is rather pathetic.

[Azadan Januspar]

Watch my words? Haha hit you too close to home did I?

I pity that your trauma has led to you believing everyone else share your pathetic issues, what's with the negative posture about western countries?

not even close! outraged mongolman lol, negative posture with western countries?! it's your very issue sorry dude! I recall you guys saying that western sources are not to be relied they always wanted to defect your history..hehe? I rely on every source specially western, middle eastern and asian. I am not fishing for the newly setup myths for the for Ghengis khan. heh Now I see you instead of answering ,go step by step stray from the topic using childish hasty words. traumatic for you. hahaha

Do we need or want to?

Heh ...you said we didnt need walls due to fact that we were so much brother! funny I said wrong that was because of your lifestyle not being cool people. Mongols were even worse to each other than their neighbors sometimes.Now you say your ridicuolos words again trying to distract other readers from bare facts?! oh God help ye

Hit close to home again? You're acting stereotypical of a Persian, so I called you out

We have much more to be proud of then just 800 yrs past, and unlike you, we don't hold grudges 800 yrs past lol!

oh yeah?!..I seem to hit close to home! outraged mongol man.I don't desire to answer you here, cause your kinsmen here are ready to ban any non-altaic . Moreover your hasty words are proof of your deep knowledge of Mongolia itself, your own country ..hehe

We have much more to be proud of then just 800 yrs past, and unlike you, we don't hold grudges 800 yrs past lol!

Yeah everyone could see that "much pride"...grudges?...listen young man no one other than mongols gonna buy the stories you are telling for that mythical mongol invasion. You tried to say they were not that bad. We said no! and that hurts you sorry buddy cause that all you got! on the way you called out yourself better! heh

Have I deliberately insulted your people with no cause? It's called Karma my friend

Oh yeah?! you didnt as you are not able to... I dont need to answer your childish mongol words (let you continue on imagination). In the meantime every reader passing by this thread can better understand what you are saying this way and understand the glorious mongol golden age better. heh

It's very relevant, but I guess you failed to see it

Oh could you define it again? bitterness?! what is the relation of my being and bitterness ( your childish words talk much about what you are thinking..haha! no need to answer them) to the Germans dislike Hitler's name in their language?! could you define it herr professor?!

Forbidden? Hiding behind laws/walls again are we?

heh..now you make me so afraid of your strong and actually tall physic hehe. Oh God! lol yeah it's forbidden here as far as I know but I m not sure if the same goes for altaics or not. From mongolman hiding behind the walls?! new words I hear in the dictionary! hehe funny. keep on your imagination it's good for you at least.

Read Temujin's post, if you are going to deny history simply because you are one of the conquered - finding excuses to deny is rather pathetic.

Excuses!..I aint deny history. that's what you are trying to find all your time. Conquered? oh by mongols? joking? where are you dude? in the past time mongols conquered the corrupt kingdom of Khwarezmid turks and killed persian civilians. it was no more Persia. But your narration of the mongol history is quite a show, I should care about invite some people form around the world to come and read your posts. After all you may need to master mongol history at the first step and then good luck baba!

[Subu'atai]

not even close! outraged mongolman lol, negative posture with western countries?! it's your very issue sorry dude! I recall you guys saying that western sources are not to be relied they always wanted to defect your history..hehe? I rely on every source specially western, middle eastern and asian. I am not fishing for the newly setup myths for the for Ghengis khan. heh Now I see you instead of answering ,go step by step stray from the topic using childish hasty words. traumatic for you. hahaha

Haha I wasn't the one who declared "western countries are racist", how pathetic Denial now of your past traumatic experiences now are we?

Did I deny our conquests? Of course not, but the quote "mongols did nothing but destruction" - false! Western, middle-eastern and asian sources eh? Sounds to me your only source is... Iranian!

Heh ...you said we didnt need walls due to fact that we were so much brother! funny I said wrong that was because of your lifestyle not being cool people. Mongols were even worse to each other than their neighbors sometimes.Now you say your ridicuolos words again trying to distract other readers from bare facts?! oh God help ye

Interesting, putting words in my mouth now, typical of one who's in a losing argument. Either that, or your understanding of english is hopeless.

oh yeah?!..I seem to hit close to home! outraged mongol man.I don't desire to answer you here, cause your kinsmen here are ready to ban any non-altaic . Moreover your hasty words are proof of your deep knowledge of Mongolia itself, your own country ..hehe

Eh? Don't desire to answer me here? Why not - this is a multi-cultural forum, and you're free to express whatever you like - heh you even said it yourself

Yeah everyone could see that "much pride"...grudges?...listen young man no one other than mongols gonna buy the stories you are telling for that mythical mongol invasion. You tried to say they were not that bad. We said no! and that hurts you sorry buddy cause that all you got! on the way you called out yourself better! heh

mythical eh? from bitterness to denial! how low can one possibly get haha!

Oh yeah?! you didnt as you are not able to... I dont need to answer your childish mongol words (let you continue on imagination). In the meantime every reader passing by this thread can better understand what you are saying this way and understand the glorious mongol golden age better. heh

Oh could you define it again? bitterness?! what is the relation of my being and bitterness ( your childish words talk much about what you are thinking..haha! no need to answer them) to the Germans dislike Hitler's name in their language?! could you define it herr professor?!

Every reader who comes to this forum is going to see just another bitter Persian put in his place.

Bitterness - yup, you come on this forum expressing such a bitter mentality towards Mongols over something 800 yrs past. So why shouldn't I toy with my prey?

heh..now you make me so afraid of your strong and actually tall physic hehe. Oh God! lol yeah it's forbidden here as far as I know but I m not sure if the same goes for altaics or not. From mongolman hiding behind the walls?! new words I hear in the dictionary! hehe funny. keep on your imagination it's good for you at least.

We hiding behind walls? We never even build walls, unlike certain people

Awww why the fear? You keep mentioning it to me, I'm not your counsellor, go seek help elsewhere haha.

Excuses!..I aint deny history. that's what you are trying to find all your time. Conquered? oh by mongols? joking? where are you dude? in the past time mongols conquered the corrupt kingdom of Khwarezmid turks and killed persian civilians. it was no more Persia. But your narration of the mongol history is quite a show, I should care about invite some people form around the world to come and read your posts. After all you may need to master mongol history at the first step and then good luck baba!

Wow the denial, if we didn't conquer, then why are you even in this thread whining about "how evil we are" lol

[Azadan Januspar]

How disappointing you are!

I hereby request the moderators to this forum to warn this guy to watch his words. I don't even need to get personal with your bluffs. cause you don't give facts, you just give bluffs.

Haha I wasn't the one who declared "western countries are racist", how pathetic

hehe "putting words in my mouth" thing..Me neither, I like western culture and countries as it is part of indo-european vast heritage and I dont found them nowadays racist as much I found recently among some cultures. very very sad dude.



[/quote]Denial now of your past traumatic experiences now are we?[/quote]

Actually mongols blew persian culture along with the turkish dynasties here. But guess what Iranian stand again just to see the temporary conquerers like mongols vanish. You better now continue on your dreaming! I see here you though your partial knowledge of your country just try to outrage me by cliches. No way you just gave your weakness away so far through your hasty words.

Did I deny our conquests? Of course not, but the quote "mongols did nothing but destruction" - false! Western, middle-eastern and asian sources eh? Sounds to me your only source is... Iranian!

hehe...my only sources are iranian, how do you know?! Good now you have assured me and others of your immature way of thinking.

Interesting, putting words in my mouth now, typical of one who's in a losing argument. Either that, or your understanding of english is hopeless.

may God save you:, you said:

we never build walled cities against each other to warrant the use of them at that time

And i simply said Mongols didnt build walls becasue they didn't have the tradition, so it is certainly NOT becasue they were peaceful to each other! do you have tendency to forget?

Eh? Don't desire to answer me here? Why not - this is a multi-cultural forum, and you're free to express whatever you like - heh you even said it yourself

Why? there's no need to use those childish words of yours to offend someone. besides the one who starts offensive words is the loser of the argument.

mythical eh? from bitterness to denial!

Irrelevant...mythical in sense of extremely glorified. I diont deny history mongol, I m not sure about you...

....how low can one possibly get haha!

about your words it's again up to the moderator to warn you here.

Every reader who comes to this forum is going to see just another bitter Persian put in his place.

Bitterness - yup, you come on this forum expressing such a bitter mentality towards Mongols over something 800 yrs past. So why shouldn't I toy with my prey?

Oh really put in his place by your hyper scientific statistics and facts(besides I am not fully persian, my parthian ancestry is stronger)....Good, Now i recommend everyone new to this thread to read throughly the preceding posts and then judge.

hahaha! You call it bitterness..I call it your lack of reason which drove you to use such words! I didnt obviously denied mongol conquest or Ghengis Khan or something. I simply denied issues here: trying to say Mongol invasions were not that bad as told or the mongols were so humane to their neighbours. So their deeds of those times were not evil, as it is completely unacceptable. And I never by the way said the Mongols are evil!!! the mongol invasion was evil.

We hiding behind walls? We never even build walls, unlike certain people

I meant we!...not you you mongolman. try to read phrases a bit slowly

Wow the denial, if we didn't conquer, then why are you even in this thread whining about "how evil we are" lol

No denial mongolman! it was actually the kingdom of khwarezmids mongols conquered here, not kingdom of persians, go and get yourself sometime, read the history of your beloved Ghengis khan expeditions. ciao ciao !

[Subu'atai]

May 27, 2008 18:25:17 GMT 3 Azadan Januspar said:

How disappointing you are!

I hereby request the moderators to this forum to warn this guy to watch his words. I don't even need to get personal with your bluffs. cause you don't give facts, you just give bluffs.

Crying for moderators now are we? How was this ever personal my good Persian friend?

hehe "putting words in my mouth" thing..Me neither, I like western culture and countries as it is part of indo-european vast heritage and I dont found them nowadays racist as much I found recently among some cultures. very very sad dude.

Oh do you really? If so then why do you feel that:

the discrimination in such countries or western countries is toward all the foreign ethnicities especially asian or middle eastern or black not only a quite a minority like mongols.

Insulting the hospitality of Australia eh?

[Actually mongols blew persian culture along with the turkish dynasties here. But guess what Iranian stand again just to see the temporary conquerers like mongols vanish. You better now continue on your dreaming! I see here you though your partial knowledge of your country just try to outrage me by cliches. No way you just gave your weakness away so far through your hasty words.

If you are not outraged, then why are you here - with your bitterness about Mongols and Turks and how we invaded?

Hasty words? No need for me to write such LONG responses to such people like yourself

hehe...my only sources are iranian, how do you know?! Good now you have assured me and others of your immature way of thinking.

And others? Hmmm where are they? Everyone knows we did good as well, except for you - what does that say?

And i simply said Mongols didnt build walls becasue they didn't have the tradition, so it is certainly NOT becasue they were peaceful to each other! do you have tendency to forget?

Yes that what I said, why is it that you could not read? Scroll up and try again

Why? there's no need to use those childish words of yours to offend someone. besides the one who starts offensive words is the loser of the argument.

Wow, I guess I should start saying the word "mongolman" is offensive as well should I? Haha what a pathetic attitude.

Irrelevant...mythical in sense of extremely glorified. I diont deny history mongol, I m not sure about you...

about your words it's again up to the moderator to warn you here.

You need to read, whenever you're ready for an intelligent discussion without personal grudges against Altaics, then we can talk.

Playing victim now are we?

Oh really put in his place by your hyper scientific statistics and facts(besides I am not fully persian, my parthian ancestry is stronger)....Good, Now i recommend everyone new to this thread to read throughly the preceding posts and then judge.

Sure thing

hahaha! You call it bitterness..I call it your lack of reason which drove you to use such words! I didnt obviously denied mongol conquest or Ghengis Khan or something. I simply denied issues here: trying to say Mongol invasions were not that bad as told or the mongols were so humane to their neighbours. So their deeds of those times were not evil, as it is completely unacceptable. And I never by the way said the Mongols are evil!!! the mongol invasion was evil.

You asked for a war, you paid the price. If we were truly evil, not one of your people would even be alive today. You can whine all day about what happened to your country.

Holding grudges 800 years past is rather pathetic

No denial mongolman! it was actually the kingdom of khwarezmids mongols conquered here, not kingdom of persians, go and get yourself sometime, read the history of your beloved Ghengis khan expeditions. ciao ciao !

Then why are you still bitter?

[Temüjin]

i will close the topic temporarily so you guys can calm down, this dicussion isn't really going anywhere at the moment....

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Good idea my dear Yabghu. During my absensce, things seem to have gone bad. I think this thread should remain closed for a longer time.

Azadan and Subu'atai, I do not want any such arguements in my place. If you want to discuss an issue, don't do it by insulting each other.