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Post by Verinen Paroni on Oct 22, 2006 12:43:03 GMT 3
we are running in circles, present your sources and back up what you say, otherwise i will dismiss your claims forever. Well, I just don't care of your opinion concerning that issue.
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Post by Temüjin on Oct 22, 2006 20:57:29 GMT 3
but it is not an opinion, it is a fact, if i could i would present here a complete family tree of the Sternberg family from their origins in Austria to their movement to the Batlic provinces with the Teutonic Knights but it is difficult to acquire such a family tree.
as long as you cannot back up anythign you say i would welcome if you would stop posting fantasy.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Oct 23, 2006 0:32:41 GMT 3
but it is not an opinion, it is a fact, if i could i would present here a complete family tree of the Sternberg family from their origins in Austria to their movement to the Batlic provinces with the Teutonic Knights but it is difficult to acquire such a family tree. as long as you cannot back up anythign you say i would welcome if you would stop posting fantasy. Fantasy???
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 23, 2006 0:51:44 GMT 3
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Post by Bor Chono on Oct 23, 2006 17:22:31 GMT 3
Well ok, we got another thread for Ungern Khan I`m sorry I guess it`s mt fault! ;D
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Post by Saran on Oct 27, 2006 15:27:47 GMT 3
1. Chinggis Khaan 2. Hubilai Khaan 3. Batu Khaan 4. Batmunh Khaan :)5.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Oct 27, 2006 15:38:50 GMT 3
1. Chinggis Khaan 2. Hubilai Khaan 3. Batu Khaan 4. Batmunh Khaan :)5. Batu just made very stupid thing when he stopped war in west when Ögedei died. Otherwise Wien would be conquered.
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Post by kokturk on Oct 27, 2006 15:53:01 GMT 3
1. Chinggis Khaan 2. Hubilai Khaan 3. Batu Khaan 4. Batmunh Khaan :)5. Batu just made very stupid thing when he stopped war in west when Ögedei died. Otherwise Wien would be conquered. He had to be in Kurultai. Same thing happened in Syria. When Hubilai Khaan died, the army of Hulagu Khan returned from there, leaving a small troop under the command of Ketbogha. And that small troop is cleared by Bek Bars the Mameluke.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Oct 27, 2006 15:55:25 GMT 3
Batu just made very stupid thing when he stopped war in west when Ögedei died. Otherwise Wien would be conquered. He had to be in Kurultai. Same thing happened in Syria. When Hubilai Khaan died, the army of Hulagu Khan returned from there, leaving a small troop under the command of Ketbogha. And that small troop is cleared by Bek Bars the Mameluke. If Batu had to be there, why he sent russian (Nevsky's father) to represent him.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 27, 2006 23:41:03 GMT 3
According to Jean-Paul Roux, the Mongols stopped their Eastern European and Southwestern Asian campaigns not because of imperial deaths, but because of logistical and natural (weather) reasons. Mongols horses could not find enough grazing lands in Europe in winter whereas the Southwestern Asian hot summer weakened the Mongols and their horses. He also makes a calculation between the deaths of imperial deaths and the dates of Mongol withdrawels; he says that the Mongol armies withdrew before the news of the imperial deaths reached the armies.
Do you agree with this view?
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Post by Temüjin on Oct 28, 2006 0:10:11 GMT 3
many Mongol campaigns were mainly just for plundering, not for conquest, so a withdrawal isn't something special that needs a specific reason. original mission of Batü was the conquest of the Volga Bulgarians, the Rus and the Kypchaks, and some Kypchak fled to Hungary, so it was just a punishing expedition, i don't think Batü ever planned to conquer europe at all.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Oct 28, 2006 0:36:41 GMT 3
I have heard that Güyük planned attack to Baltic Sea areas...
Then Baltics and Finns would alliate with him, because in that time we had ethnical and religious war against crusaders.
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Post by suren911 on Nov 21, 2006 2:55:01 GMT 3
Hulegu Khan was absolutely genius. He setup the Ilkhanids in Persia, centered in Tabriz. Even in today's Iran, Tabriz has a lot of Turks. He brought Turkic influence and gained a lot of power. It's one of the few times in history Turks aren't traded as slaves, but rather, the ruling class.
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Post by Saran on Nov 21, 2006 5:10:16 GMT 3
many Mongol campaigns were mainly just for plundering, not for conquest, so a withdrawal isn't something special that needs a specific reason. original mission of Batü was the conquest of the Volga Bulgarians, the Rus and the Kypchaks, and some Kypchak fled to Hungary, so it was just a punishing expedition, i don't think Batü ever planned to conquer europe at all. That's only what you think, man. Mongol campaigns were all about conquests and taking everyone to Tengri's control, unlike the Cossak plunderers ;D
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 21, 2006 14:36:06 GMT 3
Hi suren911, welcome to SHF
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