Miniature Figures about the Mongols

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

(Originially posted by me at September 20, 2004)
----

Here you can post modern miniature figures about the Mongols. The ones I can find (the ones worth posting) are these:



www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/MN1.jpg
Chinggis Kha'an

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/MN2.jpg
Sube'etai Ba'atur

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/3319.jpg
Hülegü with mace

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/3319_2.jpg
Hülegü with horsehair standard and heads


www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/MN4.jpg
Mongol rider firing bow from saddle

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/PB509.jpg
Mongol rider with lance and shield

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/MN3.jpg
Chinggis Kha'an's bodyguard with flag

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/3151.jpg
www.soldiers-russia.com/grenada/G151_front.jpg
Mongol warrior with lance and shield

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/3308.jpg
Mongol warrior with sword and shield

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/3303.jpg
Mongol warrior with hunting hawk on arm

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/4008.jpg
Mongol archer

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/3307.jpg
Mongol archer

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/4003.jpg
Mongol archer

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/4007.jpg
Mongol archer

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/3784.jpg
Female Mongol archer in Chinese dress

www.aeroartinc.com/fig_image/3787.jpg
Mongol archer in Chinese uniform

[Bor Chono]

I`m sorry but there are few Mongols! Warrior without chest mirror /!!!TOLIT!!!=the sun mirror/ is not a warrior! Also, Mongols hate Dragons! Chingis khaan`s body guard must have a flag with Khaan`s Symbols!!! Chingis khaan`s symbol was white falcone /white bird!/ -not a Dragon!

[Nomad (Daz)]

Intresting pictures! I agree with the Bor Chono that there are few mongols. Most of them looks like solders from Golden Hord and Djungars in the late periods! Dragon was their simbol when they invaded Kazakstan in 17 century. (Djungars where under Chineese)Mongol solders were not allowed to wear ammor because only noble families were allowed to wear it and it was the sigh of cowedness. But there was some exeption espesialy for cavalary of Subidai!

[Nomad (Daz)]

At the battle of Kalka. Where joint Russian and Kypchaks army fought with mongols the cavalary of Sube'etai Ba'atur was exellent. It saved the first expedition from total extinction.

[Nomad (Daz)]

I thought the great Khans flad had the head of grey wolf with nine tails?!

[Bor Chono]

["Nomad"]I thought the great Khans flad had the head of grey wolf with nine tails?!["Nomad"]

Ancient Mongols were realists! Freaky animals considered Demons or came from Tengri=99. I`ve never heard a stories with wolf with nine tails! I know stories with warewolves. Chingis khaan is desendant of BLUE WOLF, however his tribe is HIAD BORJIGIN=HAAN BOR CHONO=King brown wolf. But the symbol of tribe is white falcone! Also great khaan has 9 Tsagaan Suld=Nine white Symbols(or Flags-but it is not normal flag) and one Tsergiin Har Tug=Black Tug(=flag) of army.

White Tugs are for good, for peace
One Black Tug is for WAR.-increase power, speed, anger -also make enemies /without chest mirror/ weak!

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Tugh isn't flag, it's a type of standart made from horse or yak tail

[Kolaksay]

So, any good online sources with accurate images of Mongol (and other steppe nomad) banners & flags?

[Nomad (Daz)]

Foggot to mantion mongol horse actualy should be much smaller and wider with strong legs. This looks more like some arabic horses. More over mongol raiders had three horses each for suprise attacks.
About the flag!!! So it could be the wolf head as it was the totem of Chingis Khan with nine tails! At the beging before the empire! Qipchaks when usually went to battle had their totem on the flag or banner. Two crossing lance. X

[Bor Chono]

Nomad wrote : About the flag!!! So it could be the wolf head as it was the totem of Chingis Khan with nine tails! At the beging before the empire! Qipchaks when usually went to battle had their totem on the flag or banner. Two crossing lance. X

-Very interesting were did you get the imformation about the totem of the great Khaan?
-You mean Qipchaks had X Crosses? Did they belived in cristianity? Naimas and Qipchaks are same poeple? I heard that Naimans had flags on their back like japanese did.

[Bor Chono]

ihsan wrote : Tugh isn't flag, it's a type of standart made from horse or yak tail

-Yes, but YAK tail? Who told you that? Long black Yak tail is for Helmets not for Tughs. Also real mongols(tribe of chingis khaan) don`t raise yaks.
-originaly Tughs must be made of horse hair not tail. It makes Tughs short. But, presently mongolian tughs are mixed with tail and hair-LONG, they look good. In inner Mongolia they made it with only hair! so they look shorter that Ar Mongolian tughs.

[snafu]

eusebius said:

So, any good online sources with accurate images of Mongol (and other steppe nomad) banners & flags?

Here's an image Ishan posted in another thread. The banners on the bottom may be later, like from Mughal India, but the upper ones are very Chinese and Khitan in design and are undoubtedly the type carried by Mongols.



And Bor Chono is right. The banner of Temujin's tribe had a white falcon carrying a black snake. I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the secret history. The wolf-head banner was used by the Gok Turks I think.

[Bor Chono]

admin said:

Tugh isn't flag, it's a type of standart made from horse or yak tail

Turks also had such 9 /Tughs/ standarts.

[Bor Chono]

;D