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Post by aca on Apr 12, 2007 12:52:58 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 12, 2007 21:19:25 GMT 3
This was a pretty well made documentary; especially the scenes and costumes were great. I liked it very much when I watched it (and I couldn't stop myself from watching it again and again when it was broadcasted in the TV). However, there are also quiet a lot of inaccurasies or misinformations  |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Apr 13, 2007 2:58:00 GMT 3
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Post by Bor Chono on May 25, 2007 4:35:11 GMT 3
Surely they don`t look like ancient Kazaks they look more like Mongols. ;D
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 25, 2007 5:08:12 GMT 3
Surely they don`t look like ancient Kazaks they look more like Mongols. ;D I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but there was no significant difference how nomadic ancestors of Kazaks and Halha Mongols looked like. Kazaks today have the largest numbers of Naymans, Kereyits, Jalairs, and Hongirats among all other nations. So, Kazaks are proud of Toghrul Khan, who probably was a Turkic-speaking anyway, as much as, I assume, Mongols do. |
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Post by nisse on May 28, 2007 3:01:45 GMT 3
I saw the documentary with swedish voice, its was really bad , poor history telling
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 15, 2007 1:22:10 GMT 3
Mongoloid and Mongol are two different terms. Mongoloid refers to everyone from the "Yellow Race", just like "Caucasoid" refers to everyone from the "White Race".
Plus, the Qazaqs are a union of Qïpchaq Turkic and various Turko-Mongol tribes, all speaking a dialect from the Qïpchaq Group of Turkic dialects.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 15, 2007 4:51:51 GMT 3
Kazaks are a Turkic nation. Go to Bayan-Olgii and educate yourself a little. |
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Post by tuguldur on Sept 15, 2007 17:24:44 GMT 3
not always easy to travel to Bayan-Olgii.
It is one of the places I would like to visit in Mongolia to see the Eagle Hunters. I think you took it the wrong way when I said kazak are Mongols!
I was refering to the characteristics of the Mongoloid people. I didn't literally mean kazaks are Mongols.
I don't know how far you traveled the world but black african usually say things like "we africans are such and such" etc.
In africa not everyone is the same but the word "We Africans" generallizing that they all belong to one group.
So when I say kazaks are mongols is because most if not all nomads from Central asia originated from the Altai Mountain region (the current day Mongolia).
So be it kazak or burayt, halh we are all Mongoloid and came from one area! if you want to trace back.
No one person can say they have 100% kazak blood or halh bloodline because down thousands of years we barbarians have raped woman and mixed and matched!
I'm sure you know this.
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 15, 2007 18:53:12 GMT 3
We all know that Kazaks don`t like to be a Mongol ;D that`s all.  |
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Post by tuguldur on Sept 15, 2007 22:13:39 GMT 3
The fact is that it is estimated that 1 in every 200 male has mongolian blood!
So pretty much all of Kazaks have Mongol blood!
i'm not talking from my back, it was actual scientific research conclusion!
so my friend BAWIR$AQ, read the latest news and educate yourself a little.
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Post by tuguldur on Sept 15, 2007 22:17:05 GMT 3
We all know that Kazaks don`t like to be a Mongol ;D that`s all. My theory of Nobody conquered us, we only conquered ourself is somewhat true! Internal fighting has always been our biggest enemy! Until we beat our inner demons we can't challenge our true enemy! You have to ask the question why is it that in any sport Mongolians are not very good at team sport? Why is it whenever fight brakes out between Mongolians and Chinese, be it in Mongolia or elsewhere we get our ass kicked? Because the difference is they work as a unit and we work as individuals! We Mongolians are very strong minded people and don't like to be told, everyone has their own opinion. |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 15, 2007 23:02:33 GMT 3
The fact is that it is estimated that 1 in every 200 male has mongolian blood! i'm not talking from my back, it was actual scientific research conclusion! Show me some of that "research" that states that "1 in every 200 male has mongolian blood" |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 15, 2007 23:24:10 GMT 3
I think you took it the wrong way when I said kazak are Mongols! I was refering to the characteristics of the Mongoloid people. I didn't literally mean kazaks are Mongols. I don't know how far you traveled the world but black african usually say things like "we africans are such and such" etc. In africa not everyone is the same but the word "We Africans" generallizing that they all belong to one group. So when I say kazaks are mongols is because most if not all nomads from Central asia originated from the Altai Mountain region (the current day Mongolia). So be it kazak or burayt, halh we are all Mongoloid and came from one area! if you want to trace back. No one person can say they have 100% kazak blood or halh bloodline because down thousands of years we barbarians have raped woman and mixed and matched! I didn't take it the wrong way. You said it the wrong way. Africa is a continent, Mongolia is not. I have no problem calling myself an Asian (geographically) or Mongoloid (racially), but it's a shame you don't know the vast difference between the "Mongol" & "Mongoloid". Yes, the majority of the nomads initially originate from the steppes west of Altay & north of China. But it is wrong to call all these linguistically & ethnically diverse nomads as "Mongols" simply because these lands today happened to be called Mongolia. "All Mongoloid" didn't come from "one area", that is Mongolia. Although they are Mongoloid, Vietnamese or majority of Chinese have nothing to do with Mongolia. In fact, the settling of the East Asia was from south to north, so the ancestors of Asian nomads initially came from what is now the coastal China. There is no such thing as "100% kazak blood". Essence of being Kazak is all about one's shejire (family lineage). If you can trace you direct paternal lineage to one of the Kazak tribes, then you are considered a Kazak no mater what blood runs in your veins. "we barbarians"?? Only our enemies called us "barbarians". Stop being brainwashed by them! For your info, "barbarian" is a derogatory term for an uncivilized, uncultured and primitive people. Maybe you really do consider you forefathers as primitive. It is your right. But I refuse to call my ancestors "barbarians" because my people had a beautiful culture and their own civilization, they developed unique poetry, music, arts, crafts, and philosophy. I am going to define my ancestors myself, not let them be defined by my enemies. |
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Post by kokturk on Sept 16, 2007 1:25:30 GMT 3
Qazaqs and Mondolians are really relatives but Qazaqs are more Turkic than mongolian because the speak Turkic and their culture is Turkic.
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