Roles of Turkic peoples on Chinggisid Mongols

[balamir]

I only knew about "Turk role on ghengisids" that their army was mainly Turkic, and uighur culture effected them much.
But I read Peter B. Golden and I learned Turk role on Ghengisid Empire was heavier than I thinked.
Here we can discuss about it.

[kokturk]

We can talk about Tata Tunga (I think his name wes like this.) who taught Uygur script to the sons of Chinggis Hagan and adapted the script to Mongolian language.

[Boorchi Noyan]

Tata Tonga was an Uighur Turk right?

[kokturk]

Yes, he was.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

When Temüjin Khan became Chinggis Khan in 1206, he united all the Turko-Mongol peoples under his rule into the Yeke Mongghol Ulus (Great Mongol People). From there on, the "Mongols" (now a political term) included both Turks and Mongols. Before 1206, the name Mongghol indicated a single Mongolic people. There were other Mongolic peoples who were not called "Mongol" but with their own names, like the Kitans, Tatars, Tatabïs and other Shiwei tribes (we do not know the exact ethnicities of Naimans, Kereyit, Merkit and Tümet peoples). However, the Turkic and Mongolic peoples of Central Asia had been mixing with each other for a long time, so the names "Turk", "Tatar" and "Mongol" have been used for each other in different sources.

The Yeke Mongghol Ulus included Turks, Turko-Mongol mixes and Mongolified Turks. Later, other Turkic peoples like the Qïrghïz, Uyghurs, Qarluqs, Qañlïs, Qïpchaqs and Oghuz joined the Mongols on their campaigns. The Mongols adopted the Uyghur Script (which drives from the Soghdian Script which drives from the Aramaic script) after they conquered the Naimans, who had earlierly started to use this script.

Eventhough Turkic and Mongolian had been and are different languages, the cultures of Turks and Mongols were very similar (even more similar before the 15th-16th centuries). Their customs, traditions and religions were nearly the same. When the Mongols settled in the areas largely inhabited by Turkic peoples, they became fully Turkified; such as the Golden Horde and the Chaghatai Khanate. The only thing which "Turkified" them was the adoption of Turkic as the official language, nothing more

[balamir]

admin said:

When Temüjin Khan became Chinggis Khan in 1206, he united all the Turko-Mongol peoples under his rule into the Yeke Mongghol Ulus (Great Mongol People). From there on, the "Mongols" (now a political term) included both Turks and Mongols. Before 1206, the name Mongghol indicated a single Mongolic people. There were other Mongolic peoples who were not called "Mongol" but with their own names, like the Kitans, Tatars, Tatabïs and other Shiwei tribes (we do not know the exact ethnicities of Naimans, Kereyit, Merkit and Tümet peoples). However, the Turkic and Mongolic peoples of Central Asia had been mixing with each other for a long time, so the names "Turk", "Tatar" and "Mongol" have been used for each other in different sources.

The Yeke Mongghol Ulus included Turks, Turko-Mongol mixes and Mongolified Turks. Later, other Turkic peoples like the Qïrghïz, Uyghurs, Qarluqs, Qañlïs, Qïpchaqs and Oghuz joined the Mongols on their campaigns. The Mongols adopted the Uyghur Script (which drives from the Soghdian Script which drives from the Aramaic script) after they conquered the Naimans, who had earlierly started to use this script.

Eventhough Turkic and Mongolian had been and are different languages, the cultures of Turks and Mongols were very similar (even more similar before the 15th-16th centuries). Their customs, traditions and religions were nearly the same. When the Mongols settled in the areas largely inhabited by Turkic peoples, they became fully Turkified; such as the Golden Horde and the Chaghatai Khanate. The only thing which "Turkified" them was the adoption of Turkic as the official language, nothing more

Good soource

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Thank you

[BAWIR$AQ]

In the closest surroundings of Genghis khan, there were Mongols with such Turkic names like Otçigin-noyan, Belgutay, Muñlik, Alaquş-Digitkuri, Qudus-Qalçan, etc.

[BAWIR$AQ]

admin said:

we do not know the exact ethnicities of Naimans, Kereyit, Merkit and Tümet peoples

Among all of the tribes of Mongolia, Naymans and Kereyits had the most Turkic names - Altun-Aşuq, Quçuluk-han, İnança-Bilgehan, Yedi-Tubluq, Sangum, Elqutur, Buyruq-han, Guçugudun-Buyruq-han, Qurça-qus-Buyruq-han, and others.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Simply names are not enough to determine ethnicity in the Steppes, I think.

[suren911]

^That's true, when Turks converted to Islam, they had Arabic and Persian names, but they were ethnically Turks. I think hybrid names e.g. a mix of Turko-Mongol and Arabic/Persian names were common.

[snafu]

Isn't Guyuk a Turkic name?