Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 5, 2004 12:00:31 GMT 3
(Originially posted by me at September 7, 2004)
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Can someone inform us about the religion of the Ancient Mongols? The one practiced before the adoption of Buddhism and Islam.
Thanks in advance.
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(Originially posted by Chono at September 8, 2004)
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Supposedly it was shamanism but today's shamanism seems to be quite different from what SHoM and other sources wrote. Ancients seem to have worshipped the ancestors, and had a pantheon of gods living in the heaven with the main god called Hurmasta (I read it's a skythian deity). The heaven itself was worshipped too.
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(Originially posted by me at September 9, 2004)
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Ok, I would be happy if you can post some details
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(Originially posted by Chono at September 25, 2004)
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I found a nice article about the religion, but it's in mongolian so I'll try to translate it and put it here. But be warned - the author speculates But of course has some truth to his thoughts.
He calls the religion "möngke tengrism" and says it was a monotheistic system of beliefs. He says shamanism and ancestral worship have been also part of it.
Some speculated it was actually the tibetan bon religiion.
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(Originially posted by me at September 25, 2004)
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Ok, I shall be waiting for your translations, thanks
Interesting... I also prefer calling the Ancient Turkic religion as Tengriism.
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(Originially posted by Chono at October 2, 2004)
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This guy is kinda weird. He says CK pulled off a religious reform. ;D Sorry, I still haven't translated it yet, will try to do so in short time.
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(Originially posted by me at October 6, 2004)
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I remember reading somewhere about Chinggis Khaan doing a religious reform but I can't remember any details.
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(Originially posted by Chono at November 8, 2004)
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In any case, people seem to agree that Tengrism is a monotheist religion. There are spirits - ongons of dead people, mountains and landscapes, but those seem to be only local forces and have little to do with Tengri.
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(Originially posted by me at November 8, 2004)
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Yet Tengriism isn't monotheism, a different term is used for it - I once saw the term in Kafesoðlu's book but I can't find it now.
Basicly; there's only one God (Tengri) but there are also spirits that accompany/help him, so it can't be monotheism but it can't be polytheism either.
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(Originially posted by baya at November 10, 2004)
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I think animism was the foundation for shamanism.
in ancient times nomads beleived that everything in the world has soul not only human being and animals .mongolians beleived that forest mountain trees rivers lakes animal plants all have soul.so shamansim is the form of animist thinking.
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(Originially posted by Chono at November 10, 2004)
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Shamanism seems to have deities of it's own, 99 of them. But, it's not clear if they're ruled by one major god. And what's the deal with Hurmasta? It's all really confusing.
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Can someone inform us about the religion of the Ancient Mongols? The one practiced before the adoption of Buddhism and Islam.
Thanks in advance.
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(Originially posted by Chono at September 8, 2004)
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Supposedly it was shamanism but today's shamanism seems to be quite different from what SHoM and other sources wrote. Ancients seem to have worshipped the ancestors, and had a pantheon of gods living in the heaven with the main god called Hurmasta (I read it's a skythian deity). The heaven itself was worshipped too.
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(Originially posted by me at September 9, 2004)
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Ok, I would be happy if you can post some details
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(Originially posted by Chono at September 25, 2004)
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I found a nice article about the religion, but it's in mongolian so I'll try to translate it and put it here. But be warned - the author speculates
But of course has some truth to his thoughts. He calls the religion "möngke tengrism" and says it was a monotheistic system of beliefs. He says shamanism and ancestral worship have been also part of it.
Some speculated it was actually the tibetan bon religiion.
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(Originially posted by me at September 25, 2004)
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Ok, I shall be waiting for your translations, thanks
Interesting... I also prefer calling the Ancient Turkic religion as Tengriism.
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(Originially posted by Chono at October 2, 2004)
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This guy is kinda weird. He says CK pulled off a religious reform. ;D Sorry, I still haven't translated it yet, will try to do so in short time.
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(Originially posted by me at October 6, 2004)
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I remember reading somewhere about Chinggis Khaan doing a religious reform but I can't remember any details.
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(Originially posted by Chono at November 8, 2004)
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In any case, people seem to agree that Tengrism is a monotheist religion. There are spirits - ongons of dead people, mountains and landscapes, but those seem to be only local forces and have little to do with Tengri.
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(Originially posted by me at November 8, 2004)
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Yet Tengriism isn't monotheism, a different term is used for it - I once saw the term in Kafesoðlu's book but I can't find it now.
Basicly; there's only one God (Tengri) but there are also spirits that accompany/help him, so it can't be monotheism but it can't be polytheism either.
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(Originially posted by baya at November 10, 2004)
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I think animism was the foundation for shamanism.
in ancient times nomads beleived that everything in the world has soul not only human being and animals .mongolians beleived that forest mountain trees rivers lakes animal plants all have soul.so shamansim is the form of animist thinking.
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(Originially posted by Chono at November 10, 2004)
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Shamanism seems to have deities of it's own, 99 of them. But, it's not clear if they're ruled by one major god. And what's the deal with Hurmasta? It's all really confusing.
So, I think, I know my religion.
I don`t see or hear spirits 
(my mother told me so) -His friend Lama came and told that something spear like thing(you can`t see it) came from north and killed him, -but this spear wasn`t for him, it was for the person(=a sick young man came with his old mother -he was just realised from jail because he was very sick -he was there because of murder) which he was healing...The friend lama said :-He helped to a wrong person!