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Post by firdus on Nov 19, 2004 14:30:31 GMT 3
hey ,I am just thinking about one crazy idea! If we unite Uzbekistan ,Kazakstan .,turkmenstan and Kyrkztan,Yajikstan and turkey and SIkiang uyhgur region and form the great turk empire,what the worl will be like? ;D WHat do you think?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 19, 2004 20:18:37 GMT 3
It's impossible to unite them, too many hostile ethnic and Non-Turkic groups.
Who will deal with all those Armenians, Georgians, Kurds, a-hell-lot-of Caucasian peoples, Kalmuks, Russians, Tajiks, Han Chinese, etc? Besides, there's a natural and ever-going rivalry between nomadic/semi-nomadic and sedentary Turks like Uzbeks, Kazaks, Kyrgyz and Uyghurs.
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Post by firdus on Nov 21, 2004 10:41:39 GMT 3
well,that is why I called it a crazy idea! ,anyway ,turkey is the strongest coutry among those turks ,so ,man we are waiting for the second Osman Turke Impire , ,or the second amir tumer .(just kidding!) by the way ,I remembered one thing , The Uyghurs were an alliance made of nine (some sources say ten or eleven) Turkic Tiele peoples (they later mixed with the Tokhuz Oghuz),and Is seljuk turk is also tiele orgin?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 21, 2004 17:11:27 GMT 3
I think such an idea would bring nothing but destruction (ie. our entrance to WWI).
lol, I'm right now writing an article on the political history of the Toquz Oghuz (for my Turkic History Seminar course) ;D
The Uyghurs were a people of ten tribes (On-Uyghur) in the 7th and 8th centuries. Before the 740s or the 750s, they were a part of the Toquz Oghuz alliance. The Uyghurs themselves were a union of ten tribes who united in 605 and got the name Huihe by the Chinese. Before that, the original Uyghurs were a Tiele people with the name Weihe who were once one of the 12 Gaoche peoples, with the name Yuanhe.
OTOH, Seljûkid was a political term used for all the subjects of the House of Seljûk (Selçük). The House of Seljûk was from the Kýnýk tribe of the Oghuz people whose origins aren't very clear. The Oghuz might have descended from some of the Toquz Oghuz fleeing westwards, or they might have been related with the On Oq peoples of Western Turkestan or they might have been a mixture of both. Whatever they were, their ancestors must have been a part of the Tiele at least for some decades because by 603, the Chinese were calling all Euroasian nomads with the name Tiele.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2005 2:54:31 GMT 3
I would love the idea of a Turn, I think it would work with the right leader. I'm sure many nations would do anything to prevent it though.
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Post by sultan on Jul 29, 2005 1:31:08 GMT 3
It's impossible to unite them, too many hostile ethnic and Non-Turkic groups. Who will deal with all those Armenians, Georgians, Kurds, a-hell-lot-of Caucasian peoples, Kalmuks, Russians, Tajiks, Han Chinese, etc? Besides, there's a natural and ever-going rivalry between nomadic/semi-nomadic and sedentary Turks like Uzbeks, Kazaks, Kyrgyz and Uyghurs. What You Have Said Is True But Nothing Is Impossible Specially In This Thing , Look At The Russians ! From A Small Poor Country In Europe To The Biggest Country In The World When They Took Our Lands Without Any Right Just Like The Chinese When They Stole Manchuria , Eastern Turkistan , Tibet And Inner Mongolia Without Any Right Or Any Relation Ship With These Races , They Were Deffierent In Everything , Languages , Tradetions , Religions And Faces ... But Us Turks , We Share Everything From Uyghurs And Mongols In The East To The Anatolian Turks In The West And From The Yakuts In The North To The Turkmens In The South ... Its Much Easier or Us To Be United And We Can Do It At Any Time If We Really Want It But There Is No Leader To Follow No Wolfes ... i Swear That The People Are Waiting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2005 7:09:38 GMT 3
When I was in East Turkistan, many Uygurs and other Turks in that region told me they're just waiting for the right leader to unite them. When that time comes, we're going all out.
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Post by sultan on Jul 29, 2005 17:00:17 GMT 3
When I was in East Turkistan, many Uygurs and other Turks in that region told me they're just waiting for the right leader to unite them. When that time comes, we're going all out. Yes My Brother , Thats Why We Still Call It Eastern Turkistan More Than Uyghuristan To Remind Our Selfs That If We Are The Easterns Turks Then That Means That There Are Weasterns ... Anyway , i Hope That We Can See It Soon Before We Die.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 29, 2005 18:10:04 GMT 3
Sultan why don't you write small letters at the beginning of each word?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2005 18:43:30 GMT 3
When I was in East Turkistan, many Uygurs and other Turks in that region told me they're just waiting for the right leader to unite them. When that time comes, we're going all out. Yes My Brother , Thats Why We Still Call It Eastern Turkistan More Than Uyghuristan To Remind Our Selfs That If We Are The Easterns Turks Then That Means That There Are Weasterns ... Anyway , i Hope That We Can See It Soon Before We Die. I hope so too, but in reality, I doubt it will happen in our lifetime.
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Post by sultan on Jul 31, 2005 1:21:42 GMT 3
Sultan why don't you write small letters at the beginning of each word? lol , Man i Like It This Way : ) Yes My Brother , Thats Why We Still Call It Eastern Turkistan More Than Uyghuristan To Remind Our Selfs That If We Are The Easterns Turks Then That Means That There Are Weasterns ... Anyway , i Hope That We Can See It Soon Before We Die. I hope so too, but in reality, I doubt it will happen in our lifetime. : /
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Sept 24, 2005 16:43:48 GMT 3
Guys!!! Its crazy idea but if we change some parts we find that its becoming a reality!!! ShOC. Shanhai Organization of Corperation. (Not shore!). Its not that we united everybody under one flag but made our points clear to others. (Europe, America, izrael and the evil guys who wants a slice of us). It doesn't give uigurs an independance, nor turns everybody into muslims. It makes us equal to super powers and secures our freedom. Their is only one truce "everything sometime comes to its end". Shall we creat a political oriented topic about future of the stepps or move this topic on?!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 27, 2005 12:05:07 GMT 3
Move this topic on.
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Post by firdus on Sept 30, 2005 13:20:00 GMT 3
it seems this topic turns into nationalistic one !!!
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Oct 1, 2005 13:56:44 GMT 3
where do you see nationalistic idea. We are talking about unification of asia.
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