Dagistan to Turkey-1800s

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I have a question for a friend of mine. He's Turkish but he knows part of his ancestry goes to the Caucasus. He's sure it's Turk ancestry most probably from Dagistan. Since Dagistan is all mixed up he's not sure which Turk people it is. He does know that they most likely migrated from Dagistan to Turkey sometime during the early 1800s. So going by this the best way to guess his roots would be to see which Turk group from Dagistan had the largest migration to Turkey at that time. It could be any of Kumuk, Nogay, Azeri, Ahiska, Balkar and Karacay. I'm guessing that we could take out Balkar and Kumuk since they probably have the smallest population in Turkey out of the group. Any ideas?

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

If he is from Daghistan and if he's sure he's of Turkic origin, he can be either Qumyq (Qumuq) or Azeri, nothing else. The Balqars and Qarachays live out of Daghistan, they are in Northwestern Caucasia.

[BAWIR$AQ]

admin said:

If he is from Daghistan and if he's sure he's of Turkic origin, he can be either Qumyq (Qumuq) or Azeri, nothing else.

You forgot about Noghays - remnant of the formerly large and powerful Noghay Horde.

In 2002, Turks in Daghestan consisted of:
Qumuqs - 365,800 (14,2 %)
Azeris - 111,700 (4,3 %)
Noghays - 38,200 (1,5 %)
Tatars - 4,700

[BAWIR$AQ]

I would guess that your friend might be Noghay, since Noghays had a lot of migrations to Turkey and they were one of the fiercest N.Caucasian Turkic people to fight the Russian empire and they suffered a lot of losses due to these conflicts with Russians.

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That's what I guessed, that he'd be Nogay. But does anyone know if they were migrating to Turkey in the early 1800s?

[pantigin]

the Tsar Russian government forced Nogais to settle through various methods, such as burning their tents and limiting their freedom of movement. The Russian General Suvorov slaughtered several thousands of rebellious Kuban Nogais in 1783. Several Nogai tribes took refugee among the Circassians in this period. Several other Nogai clans began to emigrate to the Ottoman Empire in great numbers. The Nogais followed two routes. An estimated 7,000 Nogais of the Bucak and Cedsan Hordes settled in Dobruja before 1860. Most of these Nogais later re-migrated to Anatolia. However, the great exodus of the Nogais took place in 1860. Many clans from Camboyluk and Kuban Hordes moved westwards to southern Ukraine, and wintered with their co-ethnics there in 1859. They emigrated either through Feodosia or Kerch ports or crossing via Buçak steppes to Dobruja. 50,000 of the roughly 70, 000 Nogais of the Kuban and adjacent Stavropol region left Russia for the Ottoman Empire at this period. They induced the Nogais of Crimea (who lived in the districts of Evpatoria, Perekop and in the north of simferopol) and southern Ukraine for emigration too. 300,000 Crimean Tatars (which included the nogais) left Crimea in the year 1860. Similarly, 50,000 Nogais disappeared from southern Ukraine by 1861. Other Nogai clans emigrated directly from Caucasus to Anatolia, together with the Circassians.

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