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Post by mwe on Oct 23, 2007 20:23:17 GMT 3
Does someone know the role of the matchlocks with the Crimean Khanate and other Golden Horde successor states? The Khan should have had some one thousand musketeers to call on in time of war (not counting Ottoman infantry) and during the 1687 war with Russia the Tatar forces under Ayuki Khan had some 4000 matchlocks and even 3 cannon.
From my reading they rode on horse back and fought dismounted, but I am unable to locate more information on how they fought, how they were employed in action or what type of effect they had. As in how would they be used in support of a horse archer army?
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Post by sarmat on Oct 23, 2007 20:47:09 GMT 3
Crimean Tatar as well as other Tatar khanates were not very experienced in the use of fire weapons.
During several rebellion of Crimean Tatars against Ottomans, Tatars allied with Zaporozhian Cossacks who had good infantry and were experienced with matchlocks and other fire weapons, in order to resist superior Turkish infantry.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 23, 2007 21:47:17 GMT 3
Hello mwe, welcome aboard  |
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Post by mwe on Oct 23, 2007 22:22:11 GMT 3
Happy to find a forum which covers my interests...
Would it be safe to assume Tatar matchlock men fought as dragoons? While the Cossack/Turkish matchlock men would have moved and fought on foot.
Do you know how the firearms were used tactically (including the use of allied match-lock infantry). I know infantry in steppe fighting in most useful in defense of a city or assaulting a defended city.
Matchlock "dragoons" would have been most useful in providing supporting fire to horse archers and probably as firearm equipped infantry for taking defended villages.
Just trying to wrap my brain around their usage.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 30, 2007 17:18:50 GMT 3
Yes indeed, their useage sounds very similar to European dragoons.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 26, 2008 3:26:58 GMT 3
Does someone know the role of the matchlocks with the Crimean Khanate and other Golden Horde successor states? The Khan should have had some one thousand musketeers to call on in time of war (not counting Ottoman infantry) and during the 1687 war with Russia the Tatar forces under Ayuki Khan had some 4000 matchlocks and even 3 cannon. From my reading they rode on horse back and fought dismounted, but I am unable to locate more information on how they fought, how they were employed in action or what type of effect they had. As in how would they be used in support of a horse archer army? Ayuka Khan was not Tatar, only in Russian history books was Ayuka Khan confused with being Tatar, they called the Dzungar remnants "Kolmak Tatar". He was Dzungar Mongol leading remnants of Dzungars in modern day Kalmykia after the Khalkha Mongol and Manchurian extermination of Dzungaria. Dzungars (more like Kalmyks now - having migrated westward) at that time were quite powerful and had their own khanate, though as a Dzungar descendant myself I seriously wonder why we sided with the Tsars of Russia rather then the Ottoman Turks, Nogays, Kuban Tatars, Kazakhs, Turkmens and Crimean Tatars. But I guess after the Dzungar Khanate made too many enemies few of the Turks or Mongols were very forgiving. United we could have pushed north into Russia with our strength, instead the Kalmyks fought against anyone but Russians. After Ayuka Khan's death Russia's influence continued to grow and eventually centuries of civil wars occured between Kalmykia and all of Russia. Pity. |
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Post by teru on Aug 23, 2008 13:59:04 GMT 3
But I guess after the Dzungar Khanate made too many enemies few of the Turks or Mongols were very forgiving. United we could have pushed north into Russia with our strength, instead the Kalmyks fought against anyone but Russians. After Ayuka Khan's death Russia's influence continued to grow and eventually centuries of civil wars occured between Kalmykia and all of Russia. Pity.
I'd like to continue that idea,and if you guys agree,maybe even start a new thread, regarding steppe warriors fighting for russians or others, and against their own folk,to give an example I'd say the Qara Qalpaq, from what I've seen in Medieval Russian Armies 750-1250.
Returning to the actual thread, must say I'm almost clueless 'bout the looks of Crimean Armies, let alone the use of matchlocks. Could use some help.
Cheers!!!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 23, 2008 18:37:35 GMT 3
Greetings Teru, welcome aboard |
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