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Post by Temüjin on Nov 21, 2007 0:14:05 GMT 3
yes, i have a new book about Cossacks, by Shane O'Rourke which is pretty interesting and deals a lot about Turkic element among Cossacks and Cossack women.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 22, 2007 15:34:44 GMT 3
;D Sorry my friend, I hope it's not that dissapointing No no, I am just surprised yes, i have a new book about Cossacks, by Shane O'Rourke which is pretty interesting and deals a lot about Turkic element among Cossacks and Cossack women. Hmm sounds interesting We would be happy if you can share some of the information with us.
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 22, 2007 18:58:37 GMT 3
well, she basically says that Cossacks are semi-Turks, because Cossacks liked to capture and keep women on raids which were Turkic most of the time. also there was a report from the 19th century that went to the Don region that said that most people there looked Turkic rather than Russian. she also mentiosn the famous novel The Quiet Don, were the hero of the tale, Grigory Melekhov was called in the village as a Turk, because he was the offspring af a Tatar girl who was brought home by his father from a raid. also, by bringing Steppe girls into their own households, the women would influence cossack societey and stransformed it into a Steppe society. personally i'm not sure how much impact that women raiding really had, but i have to say for example mrs. Netrebko here could also easily pass as a Turkic woman in my opinion...
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Post by sarmat on Nov 23, 2007 23:26:35 GMT 3
Gregory Melekhov's ancestor according to the novel was a Turkish (from Turkey) women. But of course, it's obviously that Cossacks have an obvious Turkic connection. The first cossacks were Tatars and the name Cossack itself is Turkic. In Russian "Kazak" Cossack it's almost non distinguishable from "Kazakh." Still for centuries later Cossack atamans were Turkic. All the Cossack organization and war tactics are definetely Turkic and the traditional Cossack terms for ranks and warfare are Turkic and many other things. And that is true that Cossacks very often married Turkic women that they captured from Tatars and Turks.
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Feb 12, 2008 1:06:12 GMT 3
Wow, I am astonished! Anyway I think if the Scythians and Sarmatians were alive today wouldnt let anyone speak of some daughters of their land like this, thesma is the fact if there werent social and ethical barrires and obstacles (apart from being good or bad) for example in Mongolia, a guy from Mongolia wouldnt dare so easily to call Ukrainians and Russian girls (and like you said ) prostitutes. Hey wake up mongolian guy steppe hasnt been only a dwelling for Turkic people.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 12, 2008 3:57:21 GMT 3
Telling Mongolians that there aren't only Turkics in the steppe? What do the Mongolians have anything to do with that? ;D
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Feb 12, 2008 7:08:53 GMT 3
it was an example
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 12, 2008 15:25:47 GMT 3
Well I don't think the Mongolians think the steppe is populated only by the Turkic peoples ;D There are still Turks who think that way, but I met with no Mongolian who thinks that way
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