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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 19, 2007 16:20:10 GMT 3
i thought to revive this thread... Temujin, only part of the girls the pictures of who you posted are Ukrainian, others are Russian. Endining KO in the last name, doesn't mean that the person is definetely a Ukrainian. A lot of Russians have last names with KO or UK ending, yet it doesn't mean that they are Ukrainians, it just means that their ancestors moved several centuries ago from Ukraine to Russia. For example football player in Finnish team is Alexey Eremenko, and he is totally russian.
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 19, 2007 17:37:46 GMT 3
Temujin, only part of the girls the pictures of who you posted are Ukrainian, others are Russian. Endining KO in the last name, doesn't mean that the person is definetely a Ukrainian. A lot of Russians have last names with KO or UK ending, yet it doesn't mean that they are Ukrainians, it just means that their ancestors moved several centuries ago from Ukraine to Russia. so? a Siberian Tiger that is born in the Berlin Zoo is still a Siberian Tiger and not a German Tiger... of those i posted only Maria Kirilenko is not necessarily Ukrainian. Anna Netrebko is from Ekaterinodar, so its likely she is Kuban Cossack = Ukrainian.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Nov 19, 2007 23:24:59 GMT 3
;D Actually none of these girls is "Ukrainian," though they live in Ukraine. Their ethnicities from left to right are: Jewish, Tatar, Russian It's most likely that the father of Albina Janabaeva (Dzhanabaeva) is not Tatar, but Kazak. "Janabay" is a typical Kazak name. "Jana" is Kazak for "new" (Tatars say "Yana"), and suffix "-bay" is frequently used in Kazak names. Albina's hometown of Volgograd is in close proximity from Kazakstan's borders. Volgograd region is one of the traditional Kazak (Turkic) lands. BTW, now there're only two singers left in VIA Gra - Albina and Meseda Bagaudionva, a Chechen girl of Orthodox Christian faith.
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Post by sarmat on Nov 20, 2007 0:17:32 GMT 3
I read she is Tatar. And Albina is actually a popular female name among Tatars.
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Post by sarmat on Nov 20, 2007 0:23:04 GMT 3
so? a Siberian Tiger that is born in the Berlin Zoo is still a Siberian Tiger and not a German Tiger... of those i posted only Maria Kirilenko is not necessarily Ukrainian. Anna Netrebko is from Ekaterinodar, so its likely she is Kuban Cossack = Ukrainian. You will be surprised, but most of Kuban Cossacks consider themselves to be Russians. Some of them say "we are just Kuban Cossacks." But, believe me no Kuban cossack would say "I'm Ukranian." Moreover the governor of Kuban region of Russia, Alexander Tkachev (also a Cossack, of course) is often labelled as "Russian ultra nationalist." Netrebko, wanted to keep her Russian citizenship so much that she was allowed to have a special arrangement for that in Austria.
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 20, 2007 0:57:41 GMT 3
what they considder thesmelves doesn't do much, nazis considdered themselves superior race... the so called Krasnodar Kray is largely Ukrainian speaking while the Crimea is nowadays largely Russian speaking.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Nov 20, 2007 7:02:23 GMT 3
I read she is Tatar. And Albina is actually a popular female name among Tatars. I also read that her dad is Kazak. Albina is a Latin name meaning "white" (same root as Albinism). It's an international Soviet ("politically correct") name that was adopted by many mixed inter-ethnic families, not just Tatars. Her last name indicates her Kazak background.
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Post by sarmat on Nov 20, 2007 7:15:09 GMT 3
I read she is Tatar. And Albina is actually a popular female name among Tatars. I also read that her dad is Kazak. Albina is a Latin name meaning "white" (same root as Albinism). It's an international Soviet ("politically correct") name that was adopted by many mixed inter-ethnic families, not just Tatars. Yet, for some reasons this name is especially popular among Tatars. Which I can't say about Kazakhs, for example. Actually, for some reasons a lot of Tatars have IMO weird names, like Leonard or Raphael (I know at least 4 Tatar Leonards and one Raphael)
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Post by sarmat on Nov 20, 2007 7:23:25 GMT 3
what they considder thesmelves doesn't do much, nazis considdered themselves superior race... the so called Krasnodar Kray is largely Ukrainian speaking while the Crimea is nowadays largely Russian speaking. That's true. But people who speak Russian in Crimea consider themselves Russians, but not Ukrainians. While the language Kuban Cossacks speak is not actually Ukrainian, but a mixture between Ukrainian and Russian. You also know very well, that Kuban Cossacks actually were formed as mixture between Zaporozhians and Linean Cossacks (the latter didn't have any Urkainian background). The language of Kuban Cossacks is actually often called one of the Southern "sub dialects" of Russian language. In any case, they don't think about themselves as "Ukrainians." I personally think it's weird, but that's the fact. There are indeed Ukrainians living in Krasdodar region, but there is a strict division between Ukrainians and Kuban cossacks there.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Nov 20, 2007 7:56:57 GMT 3
Yet, for some reasons this name is especially popular among Tatars. Which I can't say about Kazakhs, for example. As I read, only her father is Kazak, so it's not a real Kazak family, but a mixed one. Tatars were (and still are) known for their high rate of inter-ethnic marriages. Also, they suffered a great ideological pressure with all the Soviet propaganda on the "Tatar yoke". Therefore Europe-originated "politically correct" names were a perfect way for Tatar people to distance themselves from their Asianness ( aziatchina). Same inferiority complex is also evident (in much lesser degree) among some urban Kazaks. I had some Kazak friends with the names like Marat and Alen. BTW, what's your ethnicity, sarmat?
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Post by sarmat on Nov 20, 2007 8:42:47 GMT 3
I'm Russian. Although not a typical one, with strong Pro-turkic sympathies. May be because my distant ancestor was a Nogai mirza. BTW, I seriously was told several times that Marat is a traditional Tatar name. I just couldn't believe that it didn't have any connection to "the hero of the French revolution."
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 20, 2007 12:57:20 GMT 3
Oh man I thought you were Qazaq
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Post by sarmat on Nov 20, 2007 18:02:25 GMT 3
;D Sorry my friend, I hope it's not that dissapointing
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 20, 2007 21:26:00 GMT 3
you told me you were Don Cossack.... also, from your e-mail, your last name looks very turkic. BTW, That's true. But people who speak Russian in Crimea consider themselves Russians, but not Ukrainians. because they ARE russians...ukrainians are not native to the Crimea and Russians have been settled there after it became part of the Russian empire. and now Tatars are the minority.
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Post by sarmat on Nov 20, 2007 23:23:29 GMT 3
you told me you were Don Cossack.... also, from your e-mail, your last name looks very turkic. Yeah, but do u remember our old argument? I don't consider Don Cossacks a separate ethnicity, but just a subgroup of Russian ethnos. Though, I know you don't agree with this. My last name is Turkic. I know that my ancestor was Nogai and for some reasons he joined Don Host in 18th century. Turkic last names are not common now, but still exist among Cossacks. We also know that most of the atamans in 16-17th century had Turkic names.
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