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Post by Bor Chono on Oct 17, 2006 15:04:12 GMT 3
I think Feminism in related with religion. What do U know about female worship? ;D Mongols are quite feminist. I think I`m a feminist. I guess The Great Khaan was a Feminist. Were ancient turks feminist? There is a word : "Behind every great man stand great woman" -Do U agree with it? "Smart women knows to tell her pregnansy or not to tell" -they have power to create a life. Role of Goddess? What do U think about female warriors?..etc
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 17, 2006 21:18:24 GMT 3
It is a very well known fact that Steppe peoples almost always gave women a very high status in their communities. This continued even in after becoming Muslims, eventhough later the women's status declined in urban areas. If you look at Islâmic history, the vast majority of frmale rulers were of Turkic origin. I was thinking of making a separate thread on female warriors as I have some nice pictures about them
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Post by Bor Chono on Oct 25, 2006 5:04:09 GMT 3
I guess U ppl remember that The Great Khaan married with 2 tatar sisters!? Well...this part of story still bit shocking ;D for some Mongols. -Why? Some say it was stupid to marry with 2 sisters,(also they were from enemy) -something is wrong by the Mongolian feminism or etics/moral. Maybe customs were different I mean Mongols might act like Kazaks. ;D Did U know that by Mongolian Kazak tradition if elder brother dies the younger brother will get his wife(sometimes not one but many -ewgh! ). They say that there must no be a women without a husband. Do Kazaks from Kazakstan have such tradition? & what do U think about the choice of The Great Khaan?
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Post by Atabeg on Oct 25, 2006 8:56:19 GMT 3
hmm somewear i heard that the ottoman prince got all the wives of his father when he died exept his own mother of course.
You only have one wife yes? yes!
but when you have many esspecially in those times a wife was not allways what we think of now. The elder woman in the flock still would be so called wifes but they were more like for talking company socialy.
What happens if they have no husband all the ties are broken.
the woman in the harem will allways be in the harem.
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Post by tengrikut on Oct 25, 2006 19:58:43 GMT 3
I guess U ppl remember that The Great Khaan married with 2 tatar sisters!? Well...this part of story still bit shocking ;D for some Mongols. -Why? Some say it was stupid to marry with 2 sisters,(also they were from enemy) -something is wrong by the Mongolian feminism or etics/moral. Maybe customs were different I mean Mongols might act like Kazaks. ;D Did U know that by Mongolian Kazak tradition if elder brother dies the younger brother will get his wife(sometimes not one but many -ewgh! ). They say that there must no be a women without a husband. Do Kazaks from Kazakstan have such tradition? & what do U think about the choice of The Great Khaan? hey not only in kazakhstan, in anatolia people did such things, but you cant see it today.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 26, 2006 0:07:14 GMT 3
I guess U ppl remember that The Great Khaan married with 2 tatar sisters!? Well...this part of story still bit shocking ;D for some Mongols. -Why? Some say it was stupid to marry with 2 sisters,(also they were from enemy) -something is wrong by the Mongolian feminism or etics/moral. Maybe customs were different I mean Mongols might act like Kazaks. ;D Did U know that by Mongolian Kazak tradition if elder brother dies the younger brother will get his wife(sometimes not one but many -ewgh! ). They say that there must no be a women without a husband. Do Kazaks from Kazakstan have such tradition? & what do U think about the choice of The Great Khaan? That is a common practice among the Turkic peoples. The Blue Turks and Uyghurs especially did this a lot. When a qaghan died, his wife or wives were married with his son. This tradition is also found in Anatolian Turks (mostly until several decades later).
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Post by Bor Chono on Jun 5, 2007 4:07:07 GMT 3
I heard that many Mongol women complain that husbands who worked in Korea & came are changed -no more feminist. They treat us like some object or house slave not like friends.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 5, 2007 19:14:06 GMT 3
That is normal among East Asian cultures
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Post by Bor Chono on Jul 4, 2007 7:27:56 GMT 3
I guess when men are few Feminism rises. I think Chinggis khaan became feminist because his father was dead & his mother was the one who gave orders. ;D
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 4, 2007 21:32:19 GMT 3
I guess when men are few Feminism rises. I think Chinggis khaan became feminist because his father was dead & his mother was the one who gave orders. ;D Very probably
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Post by Tamr Shayban Iskeri on Jul 27, 2008 18:00:19 GMT 3
Women Warriors! Very good idea that all able bodies can defend the family!
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Post by Bor Chono on Dec 23, 2008 9:16:30 GMT 3
For a long time I believed The Lord of Hell Erlig Khaan was female! It is because... My belief was based on this : -Demons don`t touch female babies! -The messenger of Erlig khaan is female! =Dark angels -Mostly women get special power from Erlig khaan! -Halha women are called Erlig -Females give birth! ;D if you search for Turkish "Erlik"! You will know that he is male. I never heard he had sons! but he has many daughters! Like every khaan he must have many wives! It seems he is surrounded by females! I guess he listen to his wife & daughters a lot! ;D ;D ;D en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ErlikErlig khaan is not the EVIL!!!
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Post by Subu'atai on Dec 23, 2008 11:51:47 GMT 3
Well our tradition honors the wisdom that comes from a woman. Western society degrades woman's role and does not respect the wisdom a woman can give. There is a difference between steppe feminists and for example western feminists.
Steppe feminists are feminists because they've always been this way. Western feminists are feminist because they've been through much discrimination, and very angry with men. The major difference lies in two standards: Power and responsibility. Steppe women have power, but they also acknowledge their responsibility. Western women have power, but due to their culture having not evolved as much as on the steppe (or de-evolve due to sedentary life), they are taught no responsibility whatsoever.
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Post by hjernespiser on Dec 23, 2008 18:44:30 GMT 3
The division appears to be between lifestyles and not geography. Nomads had more equal societies whereas sedentary people had more uneven societies. As Bor Chono pointed out, Eastern society is just as guilty of this behavior as Western society. Sedentary people usually evolved to treat women as property, especially the more wealthy because they had the luxury of having more people to do the work that the wife would do. Nomadic societies didn't have these luxuries and everyone needed to be able to pull their weight. When the man was away fighting or hunting, who was left to defend the home and children from brigands? That's why some of these movies that show the women just running away always gets under my skin...
Jeannine Davis-Kimball's book "Warrior Women" is an excellent read for this topic. She's an archaeologist that digs up Amazons. Among other things, she thinks that the Golden Man of Issyk was female.
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Post by Subu'atai on Dec 24, 2008 1:34:07 GMT 3
Heh I've always had a fondness of warrior women, not many exist nowadays however. Women in sedentary cultures have always been treated as lower status. Due to this fact, I've always found it very easy to seduce sedentary women away from sedentary men being a nomadic barbarian ;D . Which got me into a lot of troubles in the past unfortunately Ne ways globalisation is also sedentarisation. Most Mongols are trying to preserve the gender equality despite all this. In fact, most support a woman running for leadership of the country to battle the corruption that plagues it. I only hope that this aspect of our cultures can be preserved in modern times.
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