Written usage of TOP in Turkic writing

[ancalimon]

I'm looking for written usage of TOP & TOPLA ~TAB & TABLA and similar words in old Turkic writings meaning one or more of the following things:

collect
round thing
to be collected together on a thing
to collect things (tangible or intangible) on another thing
to go through things
to gather "around or near" something
something with writing on it
something with picture on it
something fat, large
to trick someone into a trap prepared by you
to charm someone

Here are some ProtoTurkic words that might be related:
starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\alt\turcet&first=1&off=&text_proto=top&method_proto=substring&ic_proto=on&text_meaning=&method_meaning=substring&ic_meaning=on&text_rusmean=&method_rusmean=substring&ic_rusmean=on&text_atu=&method_atu=substring&ic_atu=on&text_krh=&method_krh=substring&ic_krh=on&text_trk=&method_trk=substring&ic_trk=on&text_tat=&method_tat=substring&ic_tat=on&text_chg=&method_chg=substring&ic_chg=on&text_uzb=&method_uzb=substring&ic_uzb=on&text_uig=&method_uig=substring&ic_uig=on&text_sjg=&method_sjg=substring&ic_sjg=on&text_azb=&method_azb=substring&ic_azb=on&text_trm=&method_trm=substring&ic_trm=on&text_hak=&method_hak=substring&ic_hak=on&text_shr=&method_shr=substring&ic_shr=on&text_alt=&method_alt=substring&ic_alt=on&text_khal=&method_khal=substring&ic_khal=on&text_chv=&method_chv=substring&ic_chv=on&text_jak=&method_jak=substring&ic_jak=on&text_dolg=&method_dolg=substring&ic_dolg=on&text_tuv=&method_tuv=substring&ic_tuv=on&text_tof=&method_tof=substring&ic_tof=on&text_krg=&method_krg=substring&ic_krg=on&text_kaz=&method_kaz=substring&ic_kaz=on&text_nogx=&method_nogx=substring&ic_nogx=on&text_bas=&method_bas=substring&ic_bas=on&text_blkx=&method_blkx=substring&ic_blkx=on&text_gagx=&method_gagx=substring&ic_gagx=on&text_krmx=&method_krmx=substring&ic_krmx=on&text_klpx=&method_klpx=substring&ic_klpx=on&text_sal=&method_sal=substring&ic_sal=on&text_qum=&method_qum=substring&ic_qum=on&text_reference=&method_reference=substring&ic_reference=on&text_any=&method_any=substring&sort=proto&ic_any=on

Can you help me?

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

The ethnonym Tabġač (Tabghach, Tabgaç, Tuo-ba 拓跋 in Chinese) is thought to be related with it.

[altais]

Nov 11, 2011 17:22:27 GMT 3 ancalimon said:

I'm looking for written usage of TOP & TOPLA ~TAB & TABLA and similar words in old Turkic writings meaning one or more of the following things:

collect
round thing
to be collected together on a thing
to collect things (tangible or intangible) on another thing
to go through things
to gather "around or near" something
something with writing on it
something with picture on it
something fat, large
to trick someone into a trap prepared by you
to charm someone

Here are some ProtoTurkic words that might be related:
starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\alt\turcet&first=1&off=&text_proto=top&method_proto=substring&ic_proto=on&text_meaning=&method_meaning=substring&ic_meaning=on&text_rusmean=&method_rusmean=substring&ic_rusmean=on&text_atu=&method_atu=substring&ic_atu=on&text_krh=&method_krh=substring&ic_krh=on&text_trk=&method_trk=substring&ic_trk=on&text_tat=&method_tat=substring&ic_tat=on&text_chg=&method_chg=substring&ic_chg=on&text_uzb=&method_uzb=substring&ic_uzb=on&text_uig=&method_uig=substring&ic_uig=on&text_sjg=&method_sjg=substring&ic_sjg=on&text_azb=&method_azb=substring&ic_azb=on&text_trm=&method_trm=substring&ic_trm=on&text_hak=&method_hak=substring&ic_hak=on&text_shr=&method_shr=substring&ic_shr=on&text_alt=&method_alt=substring&ic_alt=on&text_khal=&method_khal=substring&ic_khal=on&text_chv=&method_chv=substring&ic_chv=on&text_jak=&method_jak=substring&ic_jak=on&text_dolg=&method_dolg=substring&ic_dolg=on&text_tuv=&method_tuv=substring&ic_tuv=on&text_tof=&method_tof=substring&ic_tof=on&text_krg=&method_krg=substring&ic_krg=on&text_kaz=&method_kaz=substring&ic_kaz=on&text_nogx=&method_nogx=substring&ic_nogx=on&text_bas=&method_bas=substring&ic_bas=on&text_blkx=&method_blkx=substring&ic_blkx=on&text_gagx=&method_gagx=substring&ic_gagx=on&text_krmx=&method_krmx=substring&ic_krmx=on&text_klpx=&method_klpx=substring&ic_klpx=on&text_sal=&method_sal=substring&ic_sal=on&text_qum=&method_qum=substring&ic_qum=on&text_reference=&method_reference=substring&ic_reference=on&text_any=&method_any=substring&sort=proto&ic_any=on

Can you help me?

I don't know why I think TAB, TABLA- has some same meanings in Mongolian.

TAVLA- is exactly to trick someone into a trap prepared by you, or secretly laugh at someone after he gets trapped while you are seeing and knowing the guy is going to be in danger.

TAV- upper part of iron nail in MM.

DOV, DOVTSOG- round shaped small hill, or mountain

TOV- appoinment, or deadline of something important

TOEV-center

TOEVLER- collect things into one place etc.

Going to be crazy when I look at back what I wrote. HAha

[ancalimon]

altais: Well.. TAVLA is also a game which is played on a TABLE. Supposedly it's Persian in origin; a backgammon was found which dates back to 3000BC. It's a game in which you trick the other player into a trap prepared by yourself.. I guess the Mongolians could have borrowed the word from Turkic speaking Persians in the past or vice versa.. Or the Turks borrowed most of their language from Persians.. The word is also related with table itself; I don't know if this table is a round one or a square one though.