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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 4, 2020 14:29:56 GMT 3
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Post by snafu on Mar 6, 2020 0:44:02 GMT 3
Were the names of the original Kirghiz clans ever recorded? I know that in later centuries when the Russians first encountered them they were divided into four clans. I was wondering if that was always the case.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 6, 2020 3:24:57 GMT 3
I also wondered about that, but so far I could not find any tribal and clan names of the Yenisei Kyrgyz prior to the Russian expansion in the region, especially during the pre-Mongol period. They certainly must have had some.
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Post by snafu on Sept 3, 2020 16:41:35 GMT 3
I was able to find some mentions of a tribe called Az that was recorded as the imperial clan of the Yenisei Kirghiz at one point. But in other sources theyre a seperate tribe that were just neighbors of the Kirghiz.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 4, 2020 4:11:42 GMT 3
Interesting, I never came across with any records that described the Az the Kyrgyz imperial clan. In the Türk and Uyghur inscriptions they are usually described as living close to the Kyrgyz, as a separate people.
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Post by snafu on Sept 4, 2020 10:52:05 GMT 3
Yeah, it's very muddled.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 5, 2020 13:58:37 GMT 3
Perhaps did you mean Are 阿熱, which according to the Xin Tangshu 新唐書 was both the Kyrgyz ruling family's surname and their title during the powerful times of the Uyghur Qaghanate? Rysbek Alimov has reconstructed the Old Turkic original of this title as Inäl/Änäl.
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