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Post by Ardavarz on Jun 3, 2011 3:48:40 GMT 3
It is interesting in this respect that Hunnic language allegedly described in Armenian documents presented by V. A. Astvatzaturian and Csaba Detre which is supposedly Ugric employs in contrast to Hungarian a post-positive definite article like Scandinavian languages and also modern Bulgarian.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 3, 2011 6:48:46 GMT 3
I'm unsure on the exact history of the Hungarian definite article. The oldest extant written documents in Hungarian don't use it and it is also unknown in Mansi and Khanty afaik. It developed from a demonstrative pronoun, "that", which is actually the same thing that happened in other European languages. Latin didn't have definite articles, but, for example Spanish el came from Latin ille (that).
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 3, 2011 15:35:52 GMT 3
And how about English The, Dutch Den and German Der/Die/Das? Or French Le/La/Les and it's variations in Italian and Spanish?
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 3, 2011 18:39:47 GMT 3
Ihsan,
Pretty much the same. The Germanic definite articles originate from a word meaning "that" in Proto-Germanic and goes back to Proto-IE (and is still used to say "that" in English, Slavic, etc.). The Romance languages derive it from the Latin "that", which came from some other IE root. It is interesting to see that in Romanian, it became a suffix!
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Post by benzin on Jun 3, 2011 19:30:26 GMT 3
definite article is probably a 15 th century invention in hungarian language. its two form : a, az
for example
a ház (the house)
az ég (the sky)
if the word starts with vowel the az form is used because it ends with consonant, and hungarian pretty much tries to avoid both vowel or consonant collision.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 4, 2011 8:44:27 GMT 3
Like English indefinite article.  |
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Post by benzin on Jun 4, 2011 12:19:15 GMT 3
the difference is that hungarian avoids consonant and vowel collision for the whole language not only the articles.
its visible even on those turkic words I copied on the other forum. every time y and g represents in the word they change place in the hungarian word to g + vowel + y (ly in hungarian)
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 5, 2011 6:08:34 GMT 3
Ihsan, Pretty much the same. The Germanic definite articles originate from a word meaning "that" in Proto-Germanic and goes back to Proto-IE (and is still used to say "that" in English, Slavic, etc.). The Romance languages derive it from the Latin "that", which came from some other IE root. It is interesting to see that in Romanian, it became a suffix! Ah ok, that's why German Das is also used for English that. |
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