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Post by ancalimon on May 20, 2010 3:48:44 GMT 3
I have been searching for links between Hagia Sophia and Turks. I have come across some. Here I'd like to share them with you and ask your opinion. First of all do you think there might be any link between these words?: Hagia: Haç, Hacı, Hac, Açı, Ata; Sophia: Sofu, Saf Also, for speakers of Turkic languages; Do you think there might be possible connections between these Turkic words? Ata, At, As, Ad, Ot, Od, Oz, Es, Et, etc... What do you think about the runes found in Hagia Sophia that are thought to be Viking runes (that cannot be deciphered) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_inscriptions_in_Hagia_Sophiaen.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hagia-sofia-viking.jpgmembers.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/relics/relics.html#Grafitti%20in%20Hagia%20Sophia   The explanation by scientists sound very unconvincing and unprofessional. Also see this Turkish news article about Sevgi Erenerol, the press spokesman of Turkish Orthodox Church who was arrested for belonging to Ergenekon organization (which is still fictional). According to the article, she is seen in a video explaining how Hagia Sophia was made by Turks, to high ranking military personnel. www.radikal.com.tr/Radikal.aspx?aType=RadikalDetay&Date=21.5.2009&ArticleID=936950 |
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Post by ceonni on May 20, 2010 8:53:13 GMT 3
Swedish tourists to Istanbul 1200 years ago had bad manners.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 20, 2010 10:19:01 GMT 3
Agia Ἁγία in Greek means "Saint". It doesn't have any relationship with the words you listed. Besides, Haç is originally Persian, Hacı and Hac are Arabic; they are loanwords in Turkish, not Turkic in origin. Sophia Σοφία is the Greek name Sophia with no relationship with those words which are also non-Turkic loanwords in Turkish  Both words are Arabic. I don't think so. That cannot be deciphered? As far as I know, they are deciphered. Before reaching results, I think you should read all the works made in the Scandinavian countries regarding these inscriptions, which are all catalogued. Sevgi Erenerol is not a historian nor a linguist, she is just a church spokesperson. And she uses Kazım Mirşan the Madman as "source" (using that term shows how she doesn't know historical methodology, because Kazım Mirşan the Madman is not a "source" but a "researcher"), and we know that that madman doesn't understand anything from history, linguistics and archaeology. All claims dismissed.
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Post by ancalimon on May 20, 2010 17:54:24 GMT 3
Agia Ἁγία in Greek means "Saint". It doesn't have any relationship with the words you listed. Besides, Haç is originally Persian, Hacı and Hac are Arabic; they are loanwords in Turkish, not Turkic in origin. Sophia Σοφία is the Greek name Sophia with no relationship with those words which are also non-Turkic loanwords in Turkish Both words are Arabic. I don't think so. That cannot be deciphered? As far as I know, they are deciphered. Before reaching results, I think you should read all the works made in the Scandinavian countries regarding these inscriptions, which are all catalogued. Sevgi Erenerol is not a historian nor a linguist, she is just a church spokesperson. And she uses Kazım Mirşan the Madman as "source" (using that term shows how she doesn't know historical methodology, because Kazım Mirşan the Madman is not a "source" but a "researcher"), and we know that that madman doesn't understand anything from history, linguistics and archaeology. All claims dismissed. Hagia Sophia means Holy Wisdom in Greek. (holy and ulu share the same concept) There are no decipherments of these runes. The words what seem Persian or Arabic might have Turkic roots. Especially Haç might have the root of Aç, Açı And the shape is related with holy geometry. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 22, 2010 0:57:28 GMT 3
Hmm, did you study Iranic, Arabic and Turkic linguistics before? I mean, did you receive proper and professional education in those fields?
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Post by ancalimon on May 22, 2010 3:29:14 GMT 3
Hmm, did you study Iranic, Arabic and Turkic linguistics before? I mean, did you receive proper and professional education in those fields? I didn't get professional education. That's why "I think" I'm able to think outside the box. I don't have to be a genius to know about the geometry of the cross sign or swastika sign. and we all know the Turkish word "AÇI" means angle and is a geometric terminology. Or the English word "EDGE" is also a geometric concept. Or there might be a relationship between "hatch" and "aç-mak" I know about how scientists study the etymology of words, they always connect words with other languages that are in close relationship with each other geographically and culturally. And this limits science in itself, because I think nations might have been intentionally or unintentionally mixed with each other by some people in the past, and scientific studies today are being done according to these. I'm not really doing anything related to linguistics by linking clues together, and nothing I do has any scientific value at all. I'm also not trying to connect different languages, as it's perfectly clear that all the languages are interlinked with each other to someone who knows how to look. What I'm trying to do is find the relation of God with languages and nations, and this is no science. I hope it didn't sound too crazy   |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 22, 2010 11:23:07 GMT 3
Well, as a personal and scintific principle, I refrain myself from making comments about languages that I didn't study linguistic-wise, that's why I asked you Indeed there are Turkic loanwords in Persian, but I never heard Khach being one of them. |
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Post by ancalimon on May 28, 2010 19:23:24 GMT 3
Let me show you the roof of a Yurt.  This sign is called UC Now please tell me. Doesn't UÇ and HAÇ seem related to to you? Or doesn't the word EDGE in English seem related to UÇ ? AÇI: Angle AÇILDI: (from Divanı Lugatı't Türk) kök açıldı. (The sky opened) Look at the picture and tell me what you see. AÇMAK: also means "spread out". As you can see in the picture, the four rays spread out to form something similar to the Sun. UÇ,UC: edge, tip Uçmağa Ermek: To die, ascend, and fly back to Tengri How are all these things related? Jesus dying on the cross, ascending and flying back to God. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 29, 2010 11:10:46 GMT 3
Just a coincidence that can be found in many languages. Besides, that part of the tent is called Tüŋlük (Tünglük), not "Uc".
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Post by ancalimon on May 29, 2010 22:37:56 GMT 3
Just a coincidence that can be found in many languages. Besides, that part of the tent is called Tüŋlük (Tünglük), not "Uc". The sign is called UC, UÇ I've found an interesting page via a youtube video. Check this. He is very cool yerliveturkyolu.tripod.com/tipdaireders.htm |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 30, 2010 13:15:10 GMT 3
I have checked Ahmet Caferoğlu's Old Uyghur Dictionary, Mahmud of Kashghar's (Maḥmūd al-Kāšġarī) Dīwānu Luġāt al-Turk and various Qypchaq dictionaries, but none of them gives the meaning of Uč as that part of the tent. On the contrary, the Old Uyghur dictionary, Iršād al-Muluk wa al-Salāṭin, Kitāb al-Idrāk Li-Lisān al-Atrāk and al-Tuḥfa al-Dakiyya fī al-Luġāt al-Turkiyya explain Tünlük as "window", al-Tuḥfa al-Dakiyya fī al-Luġāt al-Turkiyya describes Tüŋlük as "window, cage" while Dīwānu Luġat al-Turk describe Tünlük as "holes in homes such as window, oven and chimney". As explained in K. K. Yudahin's Kyrgyz Dictionary, the part of the tent you posted is called Tündük in Kyrgyz.
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Post by Subu'atai on May 30, 2010 14:42:47 GMT 3
Right... if I tell wifey that and she'll be jumping up and down then while working with me recently thinking of ways to play with my head using stuff like this to attempt to convert me again perhaps.
Aren't you Tengriist btw Ancalimon?
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Post by ancalimon on May 30, 2010 17:35:02 GMT 3
Right... if I tell wifey that and she'll be jumping up and down then while working with me recently thinking of ways to play with my head using stuff like this to attempt to convert me again perhaps. Aren't you Tengriist btw Ancalimon? That sounds fine to me. Why not? I accept all religions. |
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Post by ancalimon on May 30, 2010 17:47:04 GMT 3
I have checked Ahmet Caferoğlu's Old Uyghur Dictionary, Mahmud of Kashghar's (Maḥmūd al-Kāšġarī) Dīwānu Luġāt al-Turk and various Qypchaq dictionaries, but none of them gives the meaning of Uč as that part of the tent. On the contrary, the Old Uyghur dictionary, Iršād al-Muluk wa al-Salāṭin, Kitāb al-Idrāk Li-Lisān al-Atrāk and al-Tuhfat al-Zakiyya fī al-Luġat al-Turkiyya explain Tünlük as "window", al-Tuḥfa al-Dakiyya fī al-Luġāt al-Turkiyya describes Tüŋlük as "window, cage" while Dīwānu Luġat al-Turk describe Tünlük as "holes in homes such as window, oven and chimney". As explained in K. K. Yudahin's Kyrgyz Dictionary, the part of the tent you posted is called Tündük in Kyrgyz. I can't find a source right now but AJİ meant sign (İŞARET) in old Turkic language. Here is an actual photography of the Turkoman militia:  Notice the + sign on the soldiers' clothes. (I'm not actually sure what it means. It may mean a totally different thing) |
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Post by Subu'atai on May 30, 2010 18:45:27 GMT 3
Right... if I tell wifey that and she'll be jumping up and down then while working with me recently thinking of ways to play with my head using stuff like this to attempt to convert me again perhaps. Aren't you Tengriist btw Ancalimon? That sounds fine to me. Why not? I accept all religions. And my wife is Christian, qualified minister even after 2 years of Bible College. And I accept her. I also attend Church with her with our daughter even on sundays like today after opening up shop. Dont you think your unsourced religious views are a bit over-the-top however? You can't just so simply relegate every "cross-symbol" to Christianity mate. |
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Both words are Arabic.
