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Post by Subu'atai on Apr 15, 2009 11:42:25 GMT 3
Some believe in a link, others say it's a way for the American government to justify its genocide/colonisation of the Americas with the belief that the Native Americans were "foreign too".
What do you think, I just simply can't freakin' get over it. The similarities between facial structure, genetics, and both Native American and Siberian lodgings is the most obvious. Though, the Bering strait theory is being challenged by Natives themselves for the reason described above.
What you think on a historical point of view?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 15, 2009 16:40:14 GMT 3
It is obvious that the ancestors of Native Americans came from Siberia, and a veeeeery long time (probably 10,000-12,000 years) ago, the ancestors of Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Paleosiberian and Native American peoples lived together, but later split. This split must have occured at a very early time, because the languages aren't as similar to each other as IE languages are to themselves.
Genetical-wise, the Native Americans are the closest to Tuvans.
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Post by Subu'atai on Apr 16, 2009 2:09:23 GMT 3
Yes the evidence is leaning towards that theory, what do you think of Natives believing it's a Colonial brainwash however?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 16, 2009 13:14:55 GMT 3
Nah, never heard such a thing before ;D
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Post by Attila on Jun 1, 2009 10:19:09 GMT 3
It is a well known fact indeed that the Native Americans descended from Siberian groups that crossed the Bering Strait. That is simply the most likely theory for their origins. I've heard an interesting (but then again unlikely) theory though about the Natives of the east coast of North America; that some of these groups are actually descended from Celts of Europe. It's definitely a fringe theory, but it is true that there was a "Welsh Tribe," so to speak. However, this is probably related to only one instance of pre-Columbus European (Welsh) contact, as legend has it that a Welsh prince and his men sailed across the Atlantic.
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Post by ltafrank on Jun 5, 2009 13:33:39 GMT 3
I am Native American and the reason Native Americans don't go along with the we walked to America through the bering strait is because we believe we have always been in America. We have our own creation stories and each nation is unique and has it's own language, culture and creation story. But that may be because it has been so very long ago that we may have been a part of the steppes. Non Native American scholars say we are of Mongol decent. I taught at the Navajo reservation and we had to take classes before we could teach on the rez and the Non Navajos told us their own understanding of the Navajo creation story and made it that the five worlds were actually places Navajos stopped at along the way to Navajo Land or better land of the people which is English for what the Navajo call their reservation. However, we all get the Mongol blue spot.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 5, 2009 15:28:14 GMT 3
Continents have split, perhaps the Native Americans are also right that the Bering strait theory could be false, and that they've always been there... we all lived on one continent once, but I guess somebody pushed the ship offshore!
This will be pushing the 10,000 - 12,000 year theory to more then that perhaps... what you think?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 5, 2009 16:35:13 GMT 3
During the great shifts of the continents, there were no human beings in the World.
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Post by ltafrank on Jun 5, 2009 18:18:02 GMT 3
Subu'atai
I have no idea. I only know what Non Native Americans say and what the Native Americans say. None of us I think can no for sure. That is why I don't go around saying," I'm Mongolian because I'm Native American" because I don't know if that is true or not.
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Post by sarmat on Jun 5, 2009 22:47:29 GMT 3
To say that Native American are "Mongolians" nonsense. It is only true that milleniums ago when the ancestors of Native American crossed from Asia to America they probably had some generic connection to the ancestors of Altaic people.
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Post by ltafrank on Jun 6, 2009 3:43:27 GMT 3
Native American nations never say they are Mongolians. It is only the Non Native American population that say this. As far as I know all Native American nations believe they are their own people that have always been where they are.
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Post by sarmat on Jun 6, 2009 4:17:25 GMT 3
Well, Vietnamese believe that they originate from the eggs produced by a Sea Dragon and a fairy princess. But, unfortunately, it can't be true.
Modern science states that all the humans originated from the common acestors in Africa and gradually resettled from there to other continents. Thus, the first inhabitants of America came from Asia (more precise from the georgaphical area of Siberia) cause that was the only possible trek that human beings could use on their way from Africa to America.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 6, 2009 6:00:35 GMT 3
I've never heard anyone say that Native Americans are Mongolians. There was no such thing as a Mongolian 10,000 or 12,000 years ago.
Genetic anthropological research has been progressing in many places on Earth where native populations also hold similar origin beliefs to Native Americans. As I understand, such research has been hindered in the US because of these beliefs whereas elsewhere it hasn't. Why is that?
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Post by ltafrank on Jun 6, 2009 12:51:16 GMT 3
I believe it is because of the culture. I'm not sure of the term I believe it is called structural violence where a culture promotes certain believes to keep a status quo.
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Post by ltafrank on Jun 6, 2009 12:55:01 GMT 3
Modern science is not necessarily the be all and end all. We are always saying one thing and then changing it saying oh, we were mistaken. We humans simply don't know everything. I am an English major and so stories like you mentioned for Vietnamese have a different comprehension for me. I'm a firm believer in Joseph Campbell and feel that there is some reality in human myths.
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