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Post by sarmat on Feb 4, 2009 6:08:48 GMT 3
Goths were apparently very skillful horsemen. And horses played a very important role in the Gothic culture. There is also evidence of a strong Sarmatian admixture among Goths.
Also a side note. Have you guys seen the movie "Lord of rings" or may be read the book. So, it seems that the Horsemen kingdom of Rohan is modeled on Ostgoths. :-)
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Post by sarmat on Feb 4, 2009 6:38:19 GMT 3
Roman author Flavii Vegetsii of the 4th century AD in his manuscript on art of war describes the Gothic horse archery tactics as a classical "hit and run technique."
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 4, 2009 8:04:27 GMT 3
Nobles tended to have more time than commoners to pursue activities such as mastering equitation. It takes a fairly good rider to be able to battle from horseback. Nomads who grew up on horseback had the advantage because even nomad commoners were excellent horsemen. The same cannot be said of more sedentary societies. This is actually why the stirrup was such an important military innovation. It evened the battlefield for less able riders.
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Post by Temüjin on Feb 4, 2009 21:29:06 GMT 3
Also a side note. Have you guys seen the movie "Lord of rings" or may be read the book. So, it seems that the Horsemen kingdom of Rohan is modeled on Ostgoths. :-) in the movie at leats they look more like Viking cavalry. but i don't like LotR anyways, it's too childish and simplistic.
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 4, 2009 21:38:46 GMT 3
Also a side note. Have you guys seen the movie "Lord of rings" or may be read the book. So, it seems that the Horsemen kingdom of Rohan is modeled on Ostgoths. :-) in the movie at leats they look more like Viking cavalry. but i don't like LotR anyways, it's too childish and simplistic. I think they purposely made the Rohirrim to look like Vikings. The language is based on the Mercian dialect of Anglo-Saxon.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 4, 2009 21:40:43 GMT 3
Hmm but I thought the Carolingian Milites mounted infantry was modeled after Late Antiquity-Early Medieval Germanic heavy riders who were themselves modeled after Sarmatian and Hunnic warriors. Socialwise, the European knighthood was a mixture between Roman and Germanic land and class systems.
What I read from the Rohan article of Wikipedia is that the Rohan riders were modeled as a mixture of Ostrogoths and British Anglo-Saxons.
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Post by sarmat on Feb 4, 2009 21:54:18 GMT 3
What I meant as an obvious Ostgothic element in the "Rohan horse culture" is that Rohirrim had horse archers as well. I don't think Vikings or Anglo-Saxons had horse archers.
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 4, 2009 21:55:56 GMT 3
Hmm but I thought the Carolingian Milites mounted infantry was modeled after Late Antiquity-Early Medieval Germanic heavy riders who were themselves modeled after Sarmatian and Hunnic warriors. Socialwise, the European knighthood was a mixture between Roman and Germanic land and class systems. What I read from the Rohan article of Wikipedia is that the Rohan riders were modeled as a mixture of Ostrogoths and British Anglo-Saxons. Look at the talk page. Someone mentions that the look of the Rohirrim in the movie were based upon Vendel Age Swedes, or "Vikings on Horseback".
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 4, 2009 22:00:38 GMT 3
What I meant as an obvious Ostgothic element in the "Rohan horse culture" is that Rohirrim had horse archers as well. I don't think Vikings or Anglo-Saxons had horse archers. Probably. The Viking bow was not suitable for use on horseback. Although a search for "Viking bow" just yielded this interesting link that talks about a "Hunbogi" and "Hornbogi" in Icelandic literature: www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/manufacturing/text/viking_bow.htm
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Post by sarmat on Feb 4, 2009 22:07:49 GMT 3
Hmm but I thought the Carolingian Milites mounted infantry was modeled after Late Antiquity-Early Medieval Germanic heavy riders who were themselves modeled after Sarmatian and Hunnic warriors. I had the same impression.
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Post by sarmat on Feb 4, 2009 22:09:44 GMT 3
Look at the talk page. Someone mentions that the look of the Rohirrim in the movie were based upon Vendel Age Swedes, or "Vikings on Horseback". May be in the movie, but based on the book Rohirrim culture looks very much like Osgtothic.
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Post by Temüjin on Feb 4, 2009 23:25:14 GMT 3
Hmm but I thought the Carolingian Milites mounted infantry was modeled after Late Antiquity-Early Medieval Germanic heavy riders well which "heavy riders" are you refering to? in regards to Rohirrim, i can't see a horse culture unless you mean havign an all-mounted army in itself means horse culture. i know in the books it's elaborated on more but the rohirrim look overall too sendentary and i haven't seen any huge herds of grazing horses anywhere in the movie.
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Post by sarmat on Feb 5, 2009 0:28:26 GMT 3
The culture of Rohirrim isn't elaborated that much in the movie indeed, just partly.
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 5, 2009 7:21:44 GMT 3
in regards to Rohirrim, i can't see a horse culture unless you mean havign an all-mounted army in itself means horse culture. i know in the books it's elaborated on more but the rohirrim look overall too sendentary and i haven't seen any huge herds of grazing horses anywhere in the movie. And then they all hole up in that castle in the mountain side... Tolkien certainly knew his Anglo-Saxon, but definitely knew nothing about nomads. I'm guessing the Rohirrim are more like sedentary Magyars with hussars and horse breeding farms! ;D
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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 5, 2009 7:33:09 GMT 3
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