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Post by freedom on Jan 7, 2009 11:27:31 GMT 3
Throughout history, unlike it's European counterparts, it appears China has not attacked many countries. A case could be made for defensive attacks against the mongols and other central Asian nations, Korea, Korea war (1950's), Tibet(?), India (skirmish), Vietnam.
Can anyone add any outright hostile act of aggression perpetrated by China on another country at any point of it's history ?
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Post by Subu'atai on Jan 7, 2009 11:37:14 GMT 3
Don't know about Korea or Vietnam, but DEFENSIVE attack against Tibet? Please.
Also the Jin Dynasty was effectively raiding and attempting to subjicate nomadic tribes one by one prior to Chingghis Khaan. Thats why the Mongols invaded, as for Persia a declaration of war was made by the Khwarezmian shah by killing Chingghis Khaan's ambassadors.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 7, 2009 14:45:38 GMT 3
Most of China's expeditions outside China Proper were made for defensive measures. For example, during the Han 漢 Dynasty period (206 BC - 220 AD), the Chinese occupied the city-states of East Turkistan in order to surround the Huns (Xiongnu 匈奴). The same policy was used against the Türks (Gök Turks, Tujue 突厥) in the same region during the Sui 隋 (581-618) and Tang 唐 (618-907) dynasties. During the Qing 清 (1644-1912) Dynasty period, we see the same policy used during the wars with Oirat Mongols.
However, as for the invasions of Korea and Vietnam during Han and Sui-Tang periods, I am not sure.
There was no country called Persia at that time.
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Jan 7, 2009 15:32:04 GMT 3
Manchuria Incident..... (j/k)
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Jan 7, 2009 15:37:31 GMT 3
And anyway... what about Xinjiang and Tibet?
The Chinese might not necessarily attack other nations, but they certainly aren't nice to the non-Han people in their own country.
And also what European nations are you talking about? It seems pretty silly to say that Europe had heaps of wars and China didn't. Everyone's history everywhere is bound up in fighting. People fight... fact of life.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jan 7, 2009 19:01:26 GMT 3
Well the Romans weren't exactly nice to the non-Roman people in their territory until the non-Roman people assimilated and converted into 'humanity' were they?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 7, 2009 20:35:09 GMT 3
And anyway... what about Xinjiang and Tibet? The Qing 清 occupied these lands during its wars against the Oirats, for defensive and strategic measures.
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 7, 2009 22:15:25 GMT 3
China mostly was busy fighting themselves in rebellions or rival dynasties. however China did often enough invade their neighbours. i eman we must accept that the southern Chinese are all assimilated Vietnamese people. also we can't always trust what they claim themselves.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jan 7, 2009 23:55:31 GMT 3
Throughout history, unlike it's European counterparts, it appears China has not attacked many countries. In a certain way I think this statement is a misrepresentation. Was there really a "European counterpart" to the Chinese Empire? Is China a homogeneous mass? As Temujin pointed out, China had several periods where they were broken into rival states and attacked each other. How is this much different from European states attacking each other?
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Post by freedom on Jan 8, 2009 1:05:49 GMT 3
Thanks for the replies. I'm not attempting to show china in a negative light, for the most part, i respect all nations and cultures. The reasoning behind this thread is due to another person, a proclaimed china buff, claiming "china never attacked another country in a blatant act of aggression". Knowing full well that in recent history, china did send forces into post wwII korea and vietnam. Recent events in Tibet is another story, something that belongs in another thread.
In the past there were some acts of aggression toward the Tibetans, Korean and Vietnamese people, now we're going back from a hundred to fifteen hundred years ago. I'm still researching the events.
As a member mentioned, china was at a few points in time 'seperate kingdoms that did war against each other', that is a valid point.
I'm more versed with european conflicts, and to add, allways looked at china and india as being just as multicultural as europe.
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Post by tadamson on Jan 12, 2009 12:01:52 GMT 3
(second attempt)
Freedom,
Your 'china buff', clearly has little knowledge of Chinese History. Throughout history, every dynasty has been aggressive and expansionist. There have been multiple attacks in every direction and the core 'China' has been progressively expanded.
Any book or website on Chinese history will give you a general introduction to this.
Tom..
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Post by Bor Chono on Jan 13, 2009 3:58:03 GMT 3
Don`t you ppl feel their invasion!? Every corner of world has China Town! There!...there are...only Chinese! What all these war was about? For land & money! It seems you can also get land & money buy building your "so called peaceful" colonies in foreign countries! If you say "Go away! We don`t want you in our land!" will they just go...? (Like all animals humans should guard their teritory!) There is also a Cultural war! There are a lot of Chinese culture worshippers! They even have their scripts tatood on them =like livestocks with Tamga!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 13, 2009 15:36:19 GMT 3
LOL ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Subu'atai on Jan 13, 2009 22:23:30 GMT 3
LOLOL Ahahahaha ;D
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Post by hjernespiser on Jan 13, 2009 23:46:55 GMT 3
Yea, funny, but on the other hand we're watching history in action when China sends a navy to Africa to deal with Somali pirates.
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