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Post by Asparuh on Aug 15, 2010 19:25:44 GMT 3
With all my respect and due to my reseraches and diferent movies and information i have watched and read i want to say something about the Ottoman empire. It´s true The Ottomans conquered a lot of new territories and had a lot of Vassals during their entire reign.But think what could it be without their allies.The asian nations in general suffer from the so -called fanatism.The Mongols and the Turks makes the same mistake.They think their armies are invinsible and undestructable.But that´s not true.The Ottomans may had a good strategy and brilliant military generals and so on,but they would have been totally destroyed if they didn´t rely on the help of their allies-France,Great Britain,France and others,who took part in the Crimean war of 1853.For me it´s most likely that the Ottoman empire played unfair in most of it´s war campaigns.Thanks for your attention.
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 23, 2010 0:07:36 GMT 3
Interesting fact about the Cossacks is that they used to fight on the Turkish side in the Ottoman empire ,but after they joined on the side of th Russians in the Russian -Turkish war of 1878.
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 23, 2010 0:09:20 GMT 3
I am talking about these Cossacks in particular.The ones from the 19-th century.I think the ones who took part in the war for liberation of Bulgaria were from the Kuban division. Attachments:
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Post by sarmat on Aug 23, 2010 18:38:52 GMT 3
Cossacks were constantly switching sides. And all the time there was at least a small part of Cossacks on the Ottoman side.
There were two Cossacks villages in Anatolia until very recently, and those Cossacks (more precise Nerkasov Cossacks of Nekrasovtsy) went back to Russia only in 1960th.
Kuban Cossacks, however, were always on the Russian side. Kuban Voisko host was created by Russia, and fought on the Russian sides in all the wars with Turkey.
The Cossacks that were on the Ottoman side were from two distinct groups: Neskrasov Cossacks and Zaporozhian Cossacks. Nakrasov Cossacks were a gorup of Russian Don Cossacks that defected from Don after the rebellion of ataman Nekrasov in early 18th century. First they lived on Kuban river and later were resettled by the Ottomans to Danube delta and Anatolia. Another group is Zaporozhian Cossacks that decided to join the Ottomans in the late 18th century and separated from majority of the rest Zaporozhian.
Ottomans formed a special Danube host from them in the sevice of Turkish sultan. They were frequently employed by Ottomans to crush rebellions in Balkans and were most notable during the crush of the great Greek rebellion.
Most of them however deserted to Russia, after the Russo-Turkish war 1828-1829. A small minority remained in the Ottoman service.
Zaporozhian Cossacks in Turkey had a bloody feud with Nakrasov Cossacks to the point that the sultan had to resettle the Nerkasov cossacks from the Danube delta to Anatolia.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 24, 2010 1:44:14 GMT 3
With all my respect and due to my reseraches and diferent movies and information i have watched and read i want to say something about the Ottoman empire. It´s true The Ottomans conquered a lot of new territories and had a lot of Vassals during their entire reign.But think what could it be without their allies.The asian nations in general suffer from the so -called fanatism.The Mongols and the Turks makes the same mistake.They think their armies are invinsible and undestructable.But that´s not true.The Ottomans may had a good strategy and brilliant military generals and so on,but they would have been totally destroyed if they didn´t rely on the help of their allies-France,Great Britain,France and others,who took part in the Crimean war of 1853. For me it´s most likely that the Ottoman empire played unfair in most of it´s war campaigns.Thanks for your attention. All is fair in love and war. Your comment is quite childish Asparuh. It's like I would say the Slavs in Bulgaria didn't earn there freedome because they were freed by Russia and the cossacks
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Post by sarmat on Aug 24, 2010 4:30:05 GMT 3
It's like I would say the Slavs in Bulgaria didn't earn there freedome because they were freed by Russia and the cossacks But that's actually the case, unless I didn't do my homework well for the history lesson. ;D
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 27, 2010 1:31:35 GMT 3
I prefer not to say anything.One thing is certain,Anger and hate produce war and war produce war one to another.I hope there will be no more wars in the future.The past is full of examples how bad the world was before.
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Post by Subu'atai on Aug 27, 2010 15:03:51 GMT 3
There will always be war just like there will always be the struggle to survive. Though hopefully no mushroom clouds any time soon. Especially when we Aussies don't have basements for crying out loud heh!
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 30, 2010 0:03:41 GMT 3
You say We Aussies.Are you australian ? Yes ,it´s true,always there have been a strugle for surviving.Especially now in the times of Crisis.
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Post by Subu'atai on Aug 30, 2010 12:13:29 GMT 3
Sorry I shouldn't have called myself an Aussie again, old habits die hard. It's no longer my identity.
Yes I'm Australian by nationality, born and raised here, never was my choice. But I'm far from Australian in terms of ethnic and cultural differences, especially since last year. Anglo-centric half-Americanised colonial culture that hates on innocent mixed-race babies doesn't exactly agree with me ;D
There's always problems worldwide in each country, and personally I find hate based on buried history an rather unnecessary addition to the present problems of today's world. History is history. For instance, it's not like I go up to Khalkhas or Russians nowadays and go "YOU BOTH TRIED TO GENOCIDE MY PEOPLE!" etc lol
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Post by hjernespiser on Sept 5, 2010 10:00:17 GMT 3
Californians don't really have basements either.
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Post by Asparuh on Nov 6, 2010 0:44:29 GMT 3
Apart from the Cossacks theme.I wanted to point that the Ottomans were eventually brought to the Balkan peninsula by the Vizantines which used them as a mercenaries to solve their problems in their constant wars with their neibhours.It´s just that all the countries in the region including mine-Bulgaria didn´t realised that the Ottoman Turks would rise such a power to eventually attack them and conquer the whole region.The Ottoman expansion began after the battle of Manzikert of 1071.After that The Seljuk Turks carried on settling in Mala Asia / Asia Menor or Anatoliya.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 7, 2010 21:54:34 GMT 3
Actually the Ottomans were the last Anatolian Turkish group to serve as Byzantine mercenaries in the Balkans, because other Turkish maritime principalities such as the Aydïnids and Qarasids also both raided Byzantine Balkans and served there as mercenaries for the Byzantines.
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Post by Asparuh on Nov 17, 2010 23:13:19 GMT 3
Ok,thanks.Seems like our Bulgarian prime minister Borisov is looking for an adecuate relationship with Turkey,Both Turkish president and the Bulgarian prime minister were on oficial visit in Turkey and Bulgaria.I think we have more problems with the gipsies at the moment rather than with the turkish population.
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