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Post by Asparuh on Jan 31, 2010 17:14:51 GMT 3
And finally to Sarmat : It's true : Bulgars also came from Central Asia,so in that case Turkish and Bulgar people were like brothers in the past.We come from Turk-Altaic stock and are stongly influenced and probably descendants of the Great Huns. But now this Asiatic element is not as big as before in Bulgarian nation,becose we became slavified after 9 century when we adopted christianity. Mongol,Turkish,Bulgars,Magyars and other nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes practiced Tengri-Shamanism which unifies us too. And probably you think i care too much about Europe ? Well you are wrong,Because Europe is just using us like a puppies. Yeah ! That's true ! They just want us for a cheap labour.I cannot deny that. I am living 8 years in Spain and i have travelled around Europe.And it's all the same lucrative,Selfish,Egocentric Europe as before.Everybody cares only about himself and his pocket and new members means new problems for Europeans,and they have to pay more money and taxes and so on and so on. And sometimes here you fell like a tool in a Self-exployted machine. Like the Comunisnts used to say in Bulgaria before 1989 : Don't go to the West ! It's like an Orange squezzeng machine.They will use you and exploate you. But i don't thing Bulgaria can offer me something beter ,so i stay here. When thing gets better i will return back.For now in Bulgaria is far too much chaos going on. And what we really want to do now is to clear all these mafiots and political coruption first. Because believe me is really gang that Europe is sending money for building Highway which unifies Bulgaria with Turkey called Thracia and suddenly the money dissapeared. What do you think about that ? That's enough from me . If you have any questions feel free to ask. I am just showing my opinion and i am trying to think a little bit like a grown man. I have never been to Turkey ,but what it was said to us si far was moreless negative. We even watch your movies now.In Bulgaria they are Turkish serials on TV going on at the moment.Turkey's biggest achievment was the conquering of Consantinople - now Istambul. From this moment on everything changed. You mare what our Bulgarian kings couldn't.That was their greatest dream. Thanks god that here are no greek fellows in this forum,because they would have gone mad,Ottoman Empire actually replaced Vyzantine Empire,which was one of the greatest empires in the middle ages,but for that and other things we will speak in another topics . Thanks and Bye !
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Post by hjernespiser on Jan 31, 2010 20:14:13 GMT 3
Don't go to Germany. Doner kebap on every corner...
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Post by hjernespiser on Jan 31, 2010 20:25:08 GMT 3
We have the same kinds of arguments and sentiments here in California about Mexican migrants.
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Post by ALTAR on Feb 1, 2010 3:08:41 GMT 3
To Altar now. Ummm.Ok I will stop doing Propaganda.Maybe i went too far it's true. And yeah i read articles about Ataka,that's right.But i am not their member yet. It's true what you are saying about pepole voting and get stopped on the border. But wait, These people coming from Turkey want to overrun us in our own homeland. Isn't that a shame.Turkey is enough big,why you want it bigger ? I think you are trying to put a shade on my sight here, I already now,that there are provinces on Bulgaria with steady turkish population,especially in South Rodophi area.And your trademen are building fabrics everywhere,bying lands,etc. I am just wandering what will be the result of all that ? Are we going to dissapear as Volga Bulgaria did and turn to a state called Bulgaristan ? I am really worried of these facts. Bulgaria is for Bulgarians and all people living in it has to accept a Bulgarian identity and way of life.I don't mind that your turkish people live in it.They stood there since the Ottoman dinasty. We can just get them off,like Zhivkov wanted to do in 1989.Now that's too dangerous ,because it will let to a major problems and racial and ethnic war on the Balkans. Someone said to me that : The Balkans are like a timing bomb waiting for someone to burn the sparkle.So we don't want another Kosovo or Serbian war,don't we ? Off course you have some worries. I can never deny this . But Its necessary for Turks of Bulgaria too. About Turkish Investments in Bulgaria, I think its related with your governments economic policy. Nearly All Bulgarian governments invited these investors and they provide huge tax incomes. So that many financial commercials, factories and other kind of companies(especially textile) dont want to catch these opportunities. The reason of their works in Southern Bulgaria(Which are mainly populated by Turks) is again because of Bulgarian Policy. The government & Bulgarian companies don't made investments at there too much but they support Turkish firms. Turkish Firms can easily open their office and other staff at there. The existence of Turks in the region is another advantage for them in my opinion. Also,don't forget that the Turkish DPS party is Illegal and all this voting coming from Turkey is illegal too.They already spoke for that on the TV.Turkey is what ? Almost 70 milions against 8 milions in Bulgaria from which only 7 milions are Bulgars,rest of it it's gipsy,turkish,armenian,jewish and even tatars we have.I am agree that we have to look for our own problems in the country. It is official political party who represent Turks in Bulgaria. Turks who went voting are also citizens of Bulgaria, not 70 million Turks ;D. There are some Bulgarians who live in foreign countries. If they return all together to vote. Will you ban them too? ;D Altar,tou are asking why Turket wants Bulgaria ? Very simple : Because Turkish people still dreams about the greatness of Ottoman Empire and want to conquer Balkan lands again.It's not just political thing here.The thing is turkish people living in Bulgaria are arrogant,nasty and don't respect Bulgarian society,.they don't conform with our laws and norms.They think they are in their own home as they can do whatever they want. Very possesive people.Speaking turkish everywhere,don't bother to learn Bulgarian.Opening Kebap place all over Bulgaria and smoking their Nargile and stuff. You are constatntly trying to impose your Muslim Turkish culture over us ,because we are small. But i am hoping our new elected goverment will overstand this time. There are also many Bulgarians in the internet who want to establish their Csardom from Macedonia to Blacksea which include some parts of Turkey ;D So what ? It is as childish as Ottoman Empire dreamers too. You shouldn't deny that there are also many Bulgarians who thinks that they are still living in Todor Jivkov Age. They never catch an opportunity to insult & attack Turkish People. So It is caused the estrange of two society. Not easy to wipe out the memories of Belene Camp, Convert Turkish Names to Bulgarian. It wasn't too much time ago, only 20-30 years.
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Post by Asparuh on Feb 1, 2010 3:39:08 GMT 3
I think i just had enough for this.Thanks for your opinions.
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Post by Subu'atai on Feb 4, 2010 14:05:30 GMT 3
There's no shame in being full of pride of one's heritage. What matters is what we do with our inheritance. Well, wifey shames me sometimes, because she is completely independent of her heritage (both cultures calling her a "mutt"/"halfbreed" too many times I guess) ;D Independence + individualism is a good human trait to have in my opinion, but it's difficult to achieve.
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Post by kenmirzz on Feb 7, 2010 7:55:00 GMT 3
Hello all.
Is it true that the Ottoman had a kind of brutal policy about throne succession? For example, when a prince assume the throne from his father, he will instruct all his siblings especially his brothers to be killed in case they initiate a rebellion against his rule?
I browsed for the sources of this information and suspected that it's a mere propaganda. Just want to know the truth.
Thank you in advance.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 7, 2010 10:47:37 GMT 3
Yes, it is true. Actually it was made a law by Mehmed II after all the inner wars that happened in the first half of the 15th century after the Battle of Ankara in 1402, and put in his Qānūnnāme (Book of Laws). According to that law, "for the order of the world, a sultan has the right to execute his brothers". Btw sisters were exempt from this law. This law was removed in the early 17th century by the sultan Ahmed I.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 7, 2010 10:48:51 GMT 3
By the way, none of these topics (succesion systems, persecutions in the Balkans, etc) have anything to do with the Ottoman Military, so I urge members to return back to the topic, and ask their other questions in other threads.
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Post by kenmirzz on Feb 7, 2010 15:08:30 GMT 3
Thank you for the enlightening answer Mr Ihsan. I apologize for diverting from the main topic. Sorry.
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 15, 2010 1:49:31 GMT 3
Here is something i got for you.Some pictures. Attachments:
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 15, 2010 1:50:15 GMT 3
And more...These were Ottomans in Rumania as i can see from the picture. Attachments:
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 15, 2010 1:50:49 GMT 3
More... Attachments:
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 15, 2010 17:17:07 GMT 3
I always knew that i have a detective talent,.but this time i am surprised by myself. I found out where is the picture hanging on the profile of some of our members here-I think it´s SARMAT if i am right.It´s an artist having a role as a general or a high-ranking post in turkish army in the movie Turkish Gambit.I think under the name of Ismail Bey.Am i right?I am watching the movie right now. I want to follow all the story around the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878.I notice a big number of Ukrainian Cossacks taking part in this war.
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Post by Asparuh on Aug 15, 2010 18:50:42 GMT 3
I want to know about the connection between Turkish and Great Britain.Their treaty it was the reason for many failures in the Russian-Turkish wars.especially in the Crimean war. I know Great Britain was selling weapons to the turkish army.In fact the Russian would have entered Constantinople in 1878,but the British fleet and the warning of the possible British-Russian war stopped them.And Bulgaria was just used as a battlefield for this conflict of nations.In the whole movie Turkish Gambit there was only one or two scenes of Bulgarian people.
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