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Post by Subu'atai on Dec 20, 2008 14:46:17 GMT 3
Bor Chono, if you can, can you please give me a traditional account of this legend of Kublai's niece?
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Post by Bor Chono on Dec 21, 2008 5:55:19 GMT 3
Hm... what legend? Make your question clear!? I`m from theso traditional families who believe Hubilai is traitor! Just think! Our capitol is in China!
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Post by Subu'atai on Dec 21, 2008 13:37:31 GMT 3
The legend of Princess Khutulun who was undefeated in wrestling matches. She apparently did not wish to marry any man unless he could beat her in a wrestle - she never lost. Or is this a fabricated tale?
Yes Kublai was becoming sinofied, like Manchus. Being a minority in a foreign land even if you are the leading class, well it just tends to happen to ya.
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Post by Bor Chono on Dec 22, 2008 11:57:11 GMT 3
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Post by Subu'atai on Dec 22, 2008 12:38:41 GMT 3
So no more info? Oh well, wonder if Tsahars have more info LOL!!! ;D
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Post by snafu on Dec 24, 2008 8:20:52 GMT 3
I'm pretty sure her story is in Marco Polo's account. She was Qaidu's daughter supposedly.
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Post by Subu'atai on Dec 24, 2008 8:37:07 GMT 3
*scratching head* I have no idea about her, you have a link?
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Post by Bor Chono on Dec 29, 2008 6:23:31 GMT 3
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Post by hjernespiser on Dec 29, 2008 7:57:44 GMT 3
I understand that the reason supposedly behind the design of the sleeve-only wrestling jacket is to prevent the embarrassment of men losing to women by exposing the chest to prove that the competitors were not women. Women do have a physical advantage over men in wrestling due to a woman's natural lower center of gravity and it would be perfectly unfair to a man to have to wrestle a woman.
By the way, this story reminds me of the Valkyrie Brynhild of Germanic legend who would only marry the man who could best her in battle.
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Post by Bor Chono on Dec 29, 2008 14:48:42 GMT 3
I know this name! ;D From StarCraft! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 29, 2008 21:22:13 GMT 3
By the way, this story reminds me of the Valkyrie Brynhild of Germanic legend who would only marry the man who could best her in battle. The Book of Dede Qorqut (written by Oġuz Turks in Northeastern Anatolia in the 15th century) has a tale with the same motiff
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Post by hjernespiser on Dec 29, 2008 22:24:12 GMT 3
It must be some sort of universal human story. It would be culturally embarrassing for a man if his wife could beat him up so these warrior women were said to be only able to marry men who were better warriors. Brynhild married Gunther because Siegfried dressed up as Gunther and beat her in battle. But the deception was later found out, Brynhild got her revenge upon Siegfried, and Gunther's kingdom was subsequently destroyed by the Huns.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 30, 2008 20:19:53 GMT 3
I see The story at Dede Qorqut continues later in similar way with the Odusseia Ὀδύσσεια (Odyssey). After the female character is finally beaten by the male character, they marry, but the man is taken prisoner by the Christian enemies, with the help of an Oġuz traitor, who wants to marry the girl. The man returns many years later, during the wedding of his wife, and finally manages to kill the traitor and win back his wife.
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Post by Subu'atai on Dec 31, 2008 4:33:23 GMT 3
Ever since I was 16 with my first gf, my mates always said to me "You won't fall in love with a chick unless she can kick your ass in a fight" ;D Heh good times, still fond of those memories, I was a grappler, she was the striker. If she hits me at the right spot with my guard down, she wins, if I get close enough to grapple and restrain her, I win. Haha, and d**n she bites! LOVE it *sigh* Not many girls like that nowadays, all want to act 'weak' and 'submissive'. It's hard to change someone to that style too, one of my exs said to me "I have everyone telling me how I should act on one hand and YOU telling me how I should act on another".
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 31, 2008 10:34:43 GMT 3
ROFLMAO ;D ;D ;D
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