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Post by freedom on Dec 17, 2008 4:56:04 GMT 3
I'm doing some research on the indigenous people of Europe going back to the last ice age. Any input would be appreciated. I'm interested in all of Eurasia and North Africa in regard to these groups and other groups that influenced the genetic make-up of present day Europeans.
I'll start with this : From what i understand the Sami today have a genetic link to a maternal proto-Basque and male Proto-Ugrian ancestor ?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 17, 2008 23:02:02 GMT 3
Is it? I thought they were more related with the indigenenous Caucasian peoples  |
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Post by freedom on Dec 18, 2008 0:28:02 GMT 3
Is it? I thought they were more related with the indigenenous Caucasian peoples I'm trying to establish the connection between early CENTRAL-WESTERN Europeans and more recent groups of people to the sub-continent, to the period of Indo-European migrations west. Information is difficult to come by, cross referencing is a must and this area of study is still filled with propaganda from our old teachings. To be fair there is far more evidence today that is being used to understand our past. The Finns & Sami today are certainly more caucasian. ;D I should have used Ugric or Proto-Ugric instead, Uralic connection(?).Still i'm interested in the period between 8000 - 15 000 bc. |
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Post by sarmat on Dec 18, 2008 1:32:06 GMT 3
I guess Ihsan meant people native to Caucasus mountains, not Caucasians in a meaning of "Europeoid race." Please correct me if I'm wrong.
AFAIK however original Sami didn't have relation to Finno-Ugric people.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 18, 2008 2:28:20 GMT 3
Yes Sarmat, I ment the natives of Caucasia, peoples like Georgians, Laz, Circassians, etc.
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Post by freedom on Dec 18, 2008 2:57:07 GMT 3
The Caucasus is certainly a region of frustration to ethnic and linguist study, in time perhaps there will be a clearer, more fact based opinion on the history of the region. I did misuse Caucasus and should have been more clear, still it is the Europeans pre dating the Indo-Europeans migrations that i'm interested in researching. Questions such as ; who were the indigenous inhabitants of Western - Central & Northern Europe ?
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Post by hjernespiser on Dec 18, 2008 4:52:18 GMT 3
who were the indigenous inhabitants of Western - Central & Northern Europe ? No one. Humans are indigenous to Africa.  |
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Post by freedom on Dec 18, 2008 5:15:37 GMT 3
who were the indigenous inhabitants of Western - Central & Northern Europe ? No one. Humans are indigenous to Africa. There was mention of 8000 - 14 000 bc, last ice age, ..etc. |
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Post by hjernespiser on Dec 18, 2008 5:36:01 GMT 3
Linguistically, Proto-Ugric is hypothesized as splitting off from Proto-Uralic around 3000 BC. Proto-Uralic is about 2000 years older than that, roughly 5000 BC. Or at least that's what they taught me in my intro to linguistics class  |
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Post by ALTAR on Dec 18, 2008 17:08:11 GMT 3
Basques are interesting community. I heard that their languages are relate with Abhaz and Georgians.
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Dec 24, 2008 23:36:47 GMT 3
Is the linguistic connection between Uralic and Altaic language families full accepted today?
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Post by sarmat on Dec 25, 2008 1:47:57 GMT 3
I don't think so. Some linguists actually believe that the whole Uralic language group theory is false and misleading.
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Post by Attila on Jan 16, 2009 0:04:39 GMT 3
I don't know if this will contribute too much into the topic of a Finnish-Basque common origin, but I've read that many Irish people today have some descent from the Iberian Basques from northern Spain around the Pyrenees mountain range.
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Post by ancalimon on Jan 27, 2012 3:33:23 GMT 3
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Post by ancalimon on Jan 31, 2012 6:59:43 GMT 3
I have just found out that the Basque Language is called EUSKARA. If we were to call it AÐIZKARA in Turkish, it would be "The black speech" (actually "dialect black" but still...) LOL. Really weird |
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