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Post by arnewise12 on Nov 4, 2008 2:05:43 GMT 3
are the indo-european tribes that roamed the western steppes some time ago blond like the nazists say they are
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 4, 2008 8:00:31 GMT 3
Yep they are!!! By Mongol folklore they wasn`t so blonde at the begining. After they named themselves "Ari" or "Ariyan" or "Ariuyn"(=holy,clean,pure) demons said "Why they are calling themselves pure & clean? Lets pollute them!" So they became demonic race. Demons who sit inside them makes them blonde.  www.doncroner.com/2005/06/mongolia-selenge-aimag-amarbayasgalant.htmlWhen demons enter human body : -it will lose spots on it`s body(will have clean face) -it`s hair become yellow like grass in shade(=blondness) -It will become smarter & live quite long. ...etc ;D ;D ;D The movie "StarGate" has albinos demons : www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmCOul5NzMo(so similar to Mongolian demons) ;D |
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 4, 2008 8:04:10 GMT 3
Yeah one thing! personally I`m proud of my blondness! ;D
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Nov 7, 2008 16:40:58 GMT 3
Oh is that Right?! I'd like to know more about these Mongol folklores. I didn't know that there were referring to the name Aryan and blondness.
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 8, 2008 16:57:49 GMT 3
Oh is that Right?! I'd like to know more about these Mongol folklores. I didn't know that there were referring to the name Aryan and blondness. Almost every Mongol will be agree that we have these words : "Shar chutgur"="Blonde demon" "Yaasan tsarai muutai, Yaasan shar hun be?" ="What a ugly blonde human" ;D ;D ;D The story that blonde ppl were created by demons was answer to question (old ppl`s tale) : "There are strange blonde ppl! Who are they!?" ;D Presently every Mongol will say : -Paris Hilton is sexy but skinny! I mean Blonde ppl(=Arichuud) are no more ugly demons!  |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 8, 2008 21:46:58 GMT 3
Most aryans in world were not ever blondes, and aryans have no connections with germans, btw.
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Nov 8, 2008 23:26:23 GMT 3
Thanks Bor Chono for the infos. Paroni, firstly I should say how do you know? and secondly about this very notion of yours: Aryans no connection with Germans thing, you may need to provide your reasons for those. ya know  |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 9, 2008 2:48:46 GMT 3
Thanks Bor Chono for the infos. Paroni, firstly I should say how do you know? and secondly about this very notion of yours: Aryans no connection with Germans thing, you may need to provide your reasons for those. ya know Well, just think what nation nowadays are real aryans? Yeah, there is much blondes in Iran though... |
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Post by ALTAR on Nov 9, 2008 9:29:07 GMT 3
 Bor Chono, Is this girl also a demon according to your legends too?  But she is so cute man |
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Nov 9, 2008 11:49:05 GMT 3
You didn't answer my question how do you know? besides are Finns Germans becasue they are mostly blonde?! The theory for the looks of Aryans(as regarded to proto-Iranians) who inarguably had both lingual, cultural ties with other early indo-europeans like very Germans you said, is that they were blond or fair looking so far. Yeah having the features somehow common with other indo-europeans and this according to the archaelogical findings up to this day. Though there were such debate somewhere in this forum and there are hunderds of publications and articles around the web, however to outline this I should say the afore-mentioned should be put in this way: 1.Intermarriages of Iranians with locals in Iranian plateau, whom we do not know to some extent it was besides the mass migrations into all Iranian lands eversince ( the matter which hardly happened for todays blond countries ) especially migrations of almost any kind of people known as Altaics with almost distinct anthropological features.( But there are some living examples of Aryan fair- looking and blonds, and they are mainly groups who settled in mild climatic areas or mountainous valleys all around the Iranian world notably living in villages not big cities thus also lesser chance of intermarriages with newcomers. examples of this are Nuristanis, Gils, many rustic Kurds, Lurs especially Lur nomads and some tribes of Pashtuns etc.) 2. Climatic influence during thousands of years is also not to be forgotten. |
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 9, 2008 15:08:55 GMT 3
This story is not a fairy tale! It is historical myth : A Story of Buuvei Baatar and Shar Baatar of Uulds(Uuld is Oirat Mongol tribe) A strong man named Shar Baatar(=blonde or yellow hero) from Uulds was unstopable. He had shamanistic powers. Many Halha-Mongol men & boys died in his hands.(For Halha Mongols he was a blonde demon!) He used all his male prisoners as sacrifice for his Tengri(=maybe Milyan -I don`t know). He married a pregnant Halha woman. Ofcourse he killed her family. Her die-ing grandfather gave her palm of sand and said "Give this sand to my grandson". Shar baatar`s wife was also pregnant at that time. They gave birth in same time -all boys. The ger servents & slaves of Shar baatar all were Halha women. So they switched the babies. Shar baatar came from hunt(=human hunt ofcourse). And saw that his Oirat wife`s son had strange ears. He wondered "Why my son has Halha ears!".=He knew it because he still followed old Mongolian tradition -cut/taking victim`s ears. Halha wife`s son looked just like him(maybe blonde I don`t know ;D ). So Halha women took all the job to take care of babies. She sang a song "Buuvei"="Buu ai"="Don`t be afraid". Shar baatar`s sons became strong worriors. One day Shar baatar gathered his forces to end nearest Halha Mongol tribe. The halha women called her real son and said "Don`t go to war! U are my son! U are not Shar Baatar`s son." Ofcourse young man was shocked. He didn`t know what to do. The Halha women said "The person who U call 'father' is a demon! He will kill U! Take this! and run!". She gave the sand. The boy rode as fast as he can. The Shar baatar`s guardian spirit came to him and said : -If U don`t stop him now, he will swallow your head! Shar baatar sent his best men after him. They almost got him. The boy wondered what was his mother`s gift. -It was just a sand. But suddenly the sand spoke! "My son!" and it turned into a sand storm. Storm killed those who were after him. The young men was proved to be Halha Mongol(there was no DNA test ofcourse! maybe some respecful shaman told to accept him!) He defeated Shar baatar with Halha women army cuz men were few ;D. He called himself "Buuvei baatar".(Oirats still frighten their children saying "I will give U to Buuvei") Since then heroic Halha Mongol women were called "Erlig-iin Elchi"="Messenger`s of Erlig". ;D It depends who you ask! Tsahar Mongols, Halha Mongols, Oirat Mongols, Buryat Mongols all may have different(views on) creation myths. Buddism messed minds of my ancestors quite deep!  www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aUwArCEq-E |
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 9, 2008 16:47:06 GMT 3
Well Azadan, I was not living in that time, so I cannot really know. ;D In that I can surely answer: -Finns are not Germans. -Blonde hairs are common here, but I would not use word mostly. In my family there is blondes, redhairs, blackhairs and brownhairs. I am brown-haired. -I dunno how blonde Germans are. Maybe Temujin could tell us more. |
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 9, 2008 20:30:05 GMT 3
Thanks Bor Chono for the infos. Paroni, firstly I should say how do you know? and secondly about this very notion of yours: Aryans no connection with Germans thing, you may need to provide your reasons for those. ya know who ever claimed Aryans were blonde? Nazis. besides, Aryan, refers to a linguistic group (indo-iranian or just iranian languages), there's no appearance of people implied to anyone language. soemoen implied as if "Indo-European" was some sort of Lingua Franca back then. i'm personally not really convinced of that but it's a possibility. earliest German tribes were described by Romans as red-haired with green eyes. it is typcial appearance for Celtics however. but we'll never know for sure if those were really Germanic tribes or Celtic tribes. both were neighbours and modern southern Germany was the original homeland of Celts. personally, i have brown hair with a tiny red shading, it's more obvious in my beard though, someone even once called me barbarossa because of this! ;D like the original Barbarossa, i'm from Swabia (southern Germany) so it's kind of obvious that southern germans are heavily mixed with Celts (i have green eyes as well). |
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Nov 11, 2008 5:57:22 GMT 3
I didnt claimed they were. But the point is there were for sure blonds included amongst them according to what we know so far. And there are also blonds out here in former Iranian lands. And Germans as west indo-european branch and Iranians as east indo-european branch are linguistically, culturally related unlike some people said, and talking about blond Aryans has nothing to do with being a Nazist or racist. Well not living those days how can you say "Most aryans in world were not ever blondes, and aryans have no connections with germans, btw."? |
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 24, 2008 10:16:12 GMT 3
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