Turkey = Altai + Hittites?

[keaganjoelbrewer]

I was recently reading a book, which I will quote below, that suggested that the culture of the modern state of Turkey is a mixture between the Turks who originally inhabited the Altai region and the original inhabitants of Anatolia.

What do people think of this idea? I found it to be a bit striking. I have no idea, personally, what modern Turkey could have inherited from the Anatolia (except the land obviously) if anything.

This is what the book says:

"Many years ago a long since departed friend, H.H. von der Osten, an archaeologist who excavatyed the Hittite capital of Boghaz Koy, related how at a reception in Ankara he was congratulated by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk on recovering the past of his ancestors. Von der Osten was about to protest, but an unseen kick by the German ambassador restricted his comment to 'Yes, your excellency'. Afterwards everyone derided the Turkish leader for his remarks. In my opinion, however, Ataturk essentially was correct, for the inhabitants of the present Turkish republic have two areas to claim for their roots: the land of Anatolia and the Altai mountains of Inner Asia, both of which provided much to form the present Turkish people and their culture".

(Richard Frye, The Heritage of Central Asia, p.4)


What do you think?

[Atabeg]

I think the genetic mixture of the Anatolian Turks is more complexer than that

[Deleted]

I would say he's partly correct. I think that Anatolian Turks are genetically mixed with the ancient non-Turk Anatolians but as far as culture goes Turkey is culturally a mixture of Central Asian Turkic and Middle Eastern. I don't think we carried on any of the old Anatolian culture.

[ALTAR]

We have nothing from the old Ancient Anatolians besides archeologic ruins.

Ataturk supported all archeological and histrocial works in his era. He had owned the Pre-Turk Era Civilizations of Anatolia against Greece and Europeans. For instance he was an admirer of Troy because of their fierce resistance and war against Akha(Greece) Invaders in B.C.

[tengrikut]

Sept 16, 2008 1:46:29 GMT 3 keaganjoelbrewer said:

I was recently reading a book, which I will quote below, that suggested that the culture of the modern state of Turkey is a mixture between the Turks who originally inhabited the Altai region and the original inhabitants of Anatolia.

What do people think of this idea? I found it to be a bit striking. I have no idea, personally, what modern Turkey could have inherited from the Anatolia (except the land obviously) if anything.

This is what the book says:

"Many years ago a long since departed friend, H.H. von der Osten, an archaeologist who excavatyed the Hittite capital of Boghaz Koy, related how at a reception in Ankara he was congratulated by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk on recovering the past of his ancestors. Von der Osten was about to protest, but an unseen kick by the German ambassador restricted his comment to 'Yes, your excellency'. Afterwards everyone derided the Turkish leader for his remarks. In my opinion, however, Ataturk essentially was correct, for the inhabitants of the present Turkish republic have two areas to claim for their roots: the land of Anatolia and the Altai mountains of Inner Asia, both of which provided much to form the present Turkish people and their culture".

(Richard Frye, The Heritage of Central Asia, p.4)


What do you think?

in that era, people were looking for their origins where the history or other scienes cant reach just like atlantis. also there was a research(i cant say they were serious researches at all) about origin of steppe people. some people claimed that sumerians were anchestors of steppe people, they moved to inner asia and after too many times, steppe people came back to anatolia. it was the point what Atatürk mantioned. there was an another claim too: there was a continent called "mu" just like atlantis on today's japan and bigger than asturalia. natives of mu were steppe people and native americans including aztecs, mayans too. nature destoryed "mu", some muians came to asia and converted asian nomads. others went to america and built their own kingdoms. i can give a name of a book but i don't remember its writter: "Atatürk ve kayýp kýta Mu araþtýrmalarý" (Atatürk and researches for the lost continent Mu)


anyway, i dont believe in a big mixture. there living so many cultures and etnicities such as armenians, kurds, arabs, zazas, lazs, georgeans, keldanis, suryanis, etc in turkey and many of them are natives of anatolia. they are in small numers but they keep their cultures and most of them don't appreciate intercultural-marriages. also in country-side it was not good even to marry a girl who is not from your tribe or village. as considering this datas, i can say there shouldn't be a big mixture, only in big cities such as istanbul, izmir, bursa and now ankara.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

We had a similar discusson before:

steppes.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=board06&action=display&thread=507&page=2

[keaganjoelbrewer]

Thanks everyone =)

Very interesting about the continent Mu... haha what a name! =D