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Post by Asparuh on Mar 5, 2009 0:13:47 GMT 3
Ok. Also some things are uncertain for me here. Why for example there are not explanations below each picture ,so we don't know which group or nation they belong to. And these Vyzantines.Was the rising up upon a shiled their tradition or steppe one ? This is pure Bulgarian tradition,because most of our kings were rised up this way. And this barbariang impaling of hands and head swas this popular within the Vyzantine empire ? I see this for the first time. And also something very strange i saw here : What is an Janissare doing in the Jan Sobieski guard ? Was it a captured one for the polish forces or what ? Please explain me.
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Post by Temüjin on Mar 5, 2009 0:43:21 GMT 3
Why for example there are not explanations below each picture ,so we don't know which group or nation they belong to. it was my intention to do so but the other posters haven't done that, that's also why so many inaccurate pictures ended up in this thread... King Sobieski raised his own Guard of Janissaries but they were more of a Palace Guard than a fighting unit.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 5, 2009 15:27:50 GMT 3
And these Vyzantines.Was the rising up upon a shiled their tradition or steppe one ? This is pure Bulgarian tradition,because most of our kings were rised up this way. It was a common Eurasian tradition rather than "pure Bulgarian" The Tabġač (Tabghach, Tuoba 拓跋), Göktürks (Tujue 突厥), Qasars (Khazar), Uyġurs (Uighur), Kitans and Mongols rose their new rulers on felt carpets. The Magyars and Byzantine Romans used shields in the same way.
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Post by Asparuh on Mar 7, 2009 21:58:59 GMT 3
Ok,excuse me ;)So,actually yeah,if it's the Oghurs and Khazars it's us as well.We come from this group as well. Thanks for the answers.
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Post by ivan55599 on Oct 4, 2009 22:33:08 GMT 3
can l have pictures about persian warriors in middle ages? (Khwarezmia)
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 5, 2009 11:55:30 GMT 3
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Post by ivan55599 on Oct 5, 2009 18:40:47 GMT 3
good thnx
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Post by sarmat on Oct 5, 2009 23:09:48 GMT 3
Hi Ivan, I am posting pictures of soldiers of the Khwarazmshah Empire, but keep in mind that they were mostly Turkic, nor Persian nor Iranian: The warrior and the fortress in the background actually look like Russian.
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Post by illuminata on Oct 6, 2009 15:53:25 GMT 3
In my opinion the book "The Mongols" by Tim Newark from Concord Publications contains some errors on the plates.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 6, 2009 20:51:51 GMT 3
Yes, the picture is supposed to be Khwarazmshahs-Mongols fighting, and indeed the captured Khwarazmshah warrior is ok, but the buildings look more like Russian. The "Battle of Ayn Jalut" plate from that book is just plainly horrible though, it has Mongols and Mamluks fighting next to the Pyramids while the Mamluks wear leopard skins over their armor and wield some Ancient Egyptian halberd-like blades ;D
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Post by sarmat on Oct 6, 2009 21:58:02 GMT 3
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Post by Atabeg on Oct 7, 2009 8:30:02 GMT 3
from wich periode are those warriors? they look very similar to late steppe cavalary
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Post by sarmat on Oct 7, 2009 17:44:49 GMT 3
from wich periode are those warriors? they look very similar to late steppe cavalary The one on page 30 is from the 13th century. Most of the warriors from the second half of the book are 15-16th centuries and most of them are indeed modeled after steppe (Tatar) cavalry.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 7, 2009 20:21:32 GMT 3
Indeed, the Russians just copied from the Byzantines and Turks, almost nothing is original ;D ;D ;D
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Post by sarmat on Oct 7, 2009 20:57:32 GMT 3
Indeed, the Russians just copied from the Byzantines and Turks, almost nothing is original ;D ;D ;D Of course there is ! ;D But the earlier Russian armour is rather similar to the Viking style than to the Byzantines.
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