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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 17, 2008 15:17:29 GMT 3
Cheers! Though please do find the time otherwise I'm going to be returning to this forum every day just to see if you posted! lol
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jun 17, 2008 17:01:27 GMT 3
Cheers! Though please do find the time otherwise I'm going to be returning to this forum every day just to see if you posted! lol I will. Atleast in this week, I will do that. I need few hours.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jul 2, 2008 15:19:57 GMT 3
So... it's been a week, and where's the Finno thread baron?
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Post by barskhan on Nov 13, 2008 0:36:50 GMT 3
I participate in medieval recreation. The person who founded the group I belong to is also my Kenjutsu instructor. One day after class I asked him how he would have our group if we were really an army. He said he would have us all on horseback with bows. This got me thinking. I started researching ancient armies that fought from horseback with bows as primary weapons. I first found Scythians and was fascinated by them, but finally settled on Mongols as my ideal. So I have patterned my armor, clothing, tents and weapons after the Mongols around the time of Genghis Khan. It is fascinating to me to learn and show respect for the old ways.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 13, 2008 1:21:56 GMT 3
Nice story
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Post by barskhan on Nov 13, 2008 8:18:43 GMT 3
I also loved the percaption that the Mongols married the warrior spirit and independence with the discipline of the soldier. Truly the best of both worlds.
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Post by hjernespiser on Nov 27, 2008 9:30:30 GMT 3
How did my interest start? Oh this is a long story...
My ethnic heritage is "German, Hungarian, Slovenian, and Slovak". Or at least that's what I knew growing up. I've always been interested in my various ethnicities, being third generation from my immigrant ancestors. It wasn't until college that I started doing a little research on the subject. It has always been easier researching my dad's side (Slovenian and Slovak) than my mom's side (German and Hungarian) because my mom's mother was never forthcoming (neither is her sister) while my dad's dad loves (and still does!) to tell stories about the old days.
Back in college I was under the false impression (that I guess most ignorant Americans have) that Hungarians = Gypsies. It wasn't until I met my future husband, who is Hungarian, that I started looking closer at that history. I've always been somewhat interested in history, mostly regarding what the Vikings were doing, and a little interested in costuming. So my interest shifted a little further east and I found the problems associated with reconstructing Magyar Conquest (Honfoglalas) and pre-Conquest costume to be fascinating. Then I made a conscious decision to look into the culture of a group of people that still sort of live today in the same manner that the ancient Magyars lived as a way to supplement what I was learning about Magyars. I knew about Tibetan throat-singing from a friend in college (who is into all the new age stuff), but didn't give much thought about it until about this time. That is how I came across the Tuvans and fell in love with their culture and throat-singing.
Now the strange thing is that there must have been some sort of magic or synchronicity or fate or destiny business going on because everything came together at around the same time. In the year that I met my future husband, I went hiking on the local sacred mountain on my birthday, which is in the spring. I came back with a condition which caused the hair on one of my eyebrows to turn white. That same friend from college who was into all the new age stuff said it is my "beacon". Later that same year, by the time my "beacon" was ready, I ended up going to a Tuvan throat-singing concert, met a Tuvan, and became friends with him. The rest, as they say, is history.
As for my ethnic heritage, after much genealogical research, which my dad got involved in too, the German, Slovenian, and Slovak part is pretty firm while the Hungarian part not so much. It turns out that I'm related to Italianized Slovenians, Magyarized Slovaks, and Hungarian Danube-Swabians (not Germany Germans like we always thought. I guess I'm a true product of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.). When my grandmother said "German, Hungarian", it was meant "German-Hungarian" like "Anglo-American" and not "German and Hungarian", although there's still one more branch of my mom's side of the family that we have yet to investigate... But, like Subu'atai's wife, I'm now definitely Hungarian "by injection". ;D
What's funny is years later to find that there's descendants of Eastern Magyars living in the same place as Tuvans (I'm referring to the Tsengel Tuvans living also in Bayan Olgiy sum.)
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 27, 2008 13:19:34 GMT 3
Very interesting story, nice, thank you for the share
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Post by Asparuh on Mar 5, 2009 1:03:57 GMT 3
Guys,just want to tell you that this forum has so much information that i get lost here every day I think i will stay here all my life. It is not possible to read all the information.Is huge !
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Post by Asparuh on Mar 5, 2009 2:10:08 GMT 3
Ok,That's really interesting. How did my interest start? Well, I was born in Sliven,Bulgaria.A medium large town in the east of Bulgaria. Since i went to school i growned up with the legends of Khan Kubrat and the Proto-bulgarian tribes.At the time of comunism especially there was the common theory of Bulgarian origin that we are Turk-Altaic people.Later other theories began to show new light to our existance. I lived in the time of Comunism and Democracy. I was born in 1980 and i was 9 years old when Comunists was putted down from the new democratic goverment in Bulgaria in 1989.I growned up with pure bulgarian traditions,because i had the posibility to travel along in Bulgaria and to see diferent regions and influences. My grandma and my grandad used to work in a Bulgarian folkor centre in my town,so they take me with them to a many national festivals and events where i have been able to see the Bulgarian traditional dances,music,habits,food culture,etc. In all my school years i was taugh of Bulgarian history. Of Khan Asparuh,Khan Tervel,Khan Krum,Knyaz Boris I,Tzar Simeon,King Ivan Asen II,etc At the upper class,when i was aproximately 16 years old,we start learning about the Cumans,The Pechenegs and other steppe nations. Lot of material i know about the Ottoman empire as well,about the Russia,the slav people. There was not a lot of information about the Mongols actually. I one historical books of ours i read that Bulgaria was attack from the north from the Tatars.Our King Ivailo defeated them succesfully but later on he was killed in the camp of Nogay Beg,with trickery of course and not without the help of Vyzantine empire. We studiet about the Samurais,The Shao-Lin a bit of China. Actually there was not a lot of information about the rest of the steppe world in my school years. We mostly studied about the surrounding and regions. We knew about the Khazars,The Magyars,The Turks,The Arabs,etc. I began to be more interested lately since 2005 year. I start making some drawings of Bulgarian warriors. In Bulgaria lot of people believe we are a steppe nation. But after the conversion to christianity and the receiving of Slavic-Bulgarian alphabet in 9 century from Knyaz Boris I the things in Bulgaria has changed.And also in the believings of the people. We became more slavic-orientated nation,so the kings from that period onwards began to use the title Tzar not Khan. The Tengrism was prohibited and it's followers persecuted. I saw the movie 13-th warrior which is a scandinavian legend. There i heard that the Scandinavians passed trought the Khanates of Bulgars and Khazars which arabs called "Oghuzz". I believe we have strong realtion with the ancient turks,the Oghurs and Western turk khanates.It's no doubt that Bulgars come from Central Asia.We definitely have something to do with the Orient.Many scientists already have proven that.But still a lot of things need to be revealed. I didn't know of existing of Mongols,Kypchaks,Kalmuks and others before. I found out about this here in this forum. Also i have seen most of the Bulgarian movies about our history. I have seen also the movies : Mongol,Nomad,The story of Timur-Lang,Chengiz-Khan,Attila the Hun,300 spartans,Troy,etc which also gaven me a lot of information of the ancient world and steppe history. What bulgarian knows about the steppe nomads and semi-nomads,the turkish empires,the mongols,etc is that : They were very cruel and savage people burning everything from wherever they pass. My grandma say to me this saying like this: Wherever the steppe horseriders passed the grass don't grow again. Also a big documentary movie was made to search the traces of Bulgarian history in the steppes of Asia and Russia. It was a movie of 30 000 km in the east. It passed trough Romania,Ucraine,Russia,Tatarstan (Ancient Volga Bulgaria ),Chuvashia,Uzbekistan,Kazakstan,Tajikistan,Altai,Pamir,Hindokush and cities like : Tashkent,Alma Ata,Balh,Kazan,etc. I found about this forum one day suddenly looking at internet of some pictures of steppe warriors and i get here and i got very interested. So thats all !
It's nice to go back in the past to see what were the ancestors of today's nations.And to find out that a lot of Europeans actually come from the steppes.
Bye from me !
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 5, 2009 4:13:42 GMT 3
Nice Uhm nope, the Oghuz mentioned by Ibn Fadlan were a different people from the Bulgars and Khazars. The Oghuz are the ancestors of Turks in Turkey, Balkans, Middle East and Turkmenistan. But yes, the name Oghuz and Oghur are actually the same, yet the people aren't. Kypchak is the real Turkic name of Kumans
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Post by Asparuh on Mar 5, 2009 20:43:02 GMT 3
Alright ! It's more correct to call bulgars - onoghondurs or onoghurs right?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 6, 2009 1:20:42 GMT 3
For some time, yes, they were called with that name
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Post by Attila on Apr 28, 2009 11:36:38 GMT 3
My interest in nomadic/steppe history began around the same time I had began my interest in ancient Greek, Roman, and Persian civilizations. The Huns, Avars, Scythians, Mongols, Gokturks, just to name a few, are tribes/tribal confederations I find very interesting to research. I primarily study this history on the internet, but gained my first exposure to some of this history in an old computer game; Age of Empires II: Age of Kings and the Conquerors Expansion. Not sure if anyone remembers it, but in particular, it had an impressive Mongol and Hun campaign, where you led these nomads through representations of their wars in the game. I also have some sort of ethnic connection to steppes, through the Huns (or later Avars?) in particular, presumably since some family members from Croatia (a mostly Illyro-Slavic nation) have what can be vaguely described as an "Asian" appearance (even I have a rather broad face, and sort of narrow eyes, they are dark blue though). Learning about this also further interested me in steppe history.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 28, 2009 23:54:32 GMT 3
Cool AoE II is an unforgettable game indeed
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